Re: SMS Heirachy

That makes sense, but on the child site all the collections have padlocks on
them. If i goto manage SMS users and add full permissions to a user then the
permissions show up on that collection but the option to add client PCs into
the membership ios still greyed out?

Thanks


"Kim Oppalfens" <Kim dot Oppalfens@google mail.com> wrote in message
news:%23Tr1Izt7FHA.736@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Permissions from parent sites are not replicated down to child sites, this
> is by design.
>
> --
> Kim Oppalfens
> Telindus Belgium
> MVP Windows Server System - SMS
> "Mungoblack" <mungoblack@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:els9RQr7FHA.2676@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> ok i have now got it all working. I had to put in the windows account in
>> the address tab even thoughim running in adavanced security and the site
>> computer account is in the sitetosite group in each domain.
>>
>> my child site now has all the collections, image packages and packages
>> with a padlock through it. These were automatically replicated down. Is
>> it not possible to choose what the child site sees??? My packages have
>> also been replicated down ok.
>>
>> the issue im having now is that in the child site the administrator can
>> see a collection but cannot add machines into that collection (via the
>> membership tab). I have given the instance rights on the parent site but
>> when going to the child site i still cannot add machines into the
>> collection?
>>
>>
>> "Mungoblack" <mungoblack@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:Oko6KBG7FHA.632@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Heres an extract from the HMAN.LOG on the child site. It looks like it
>>> is talking to the parent site??? However if on the parent site i want to
>>> distribute a package to the distribution point on the child site i still
>>> cannot see the DP to select it??
>>>
>>> Searching for the System Management Container. SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER
>>> 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> System Management container exists. SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005
>>> 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> Site objects existing in AD: cn=SMS-Site-CMP. SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER
>>> 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> Searching for SMS-Site-CMP Site Object. SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER
>>> 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> SMS-Site-CMP exists, updating. SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005
>>> 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> SMS-Site-CMP successfully updated. SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005
>>> 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> Removing cn=SMS-Site-CMP from site deletion-pending list.
>>> SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> No Ranged IP boundaries are currently published for this site.
>>> SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> Checking Site CMP for legacy clients that should be upgraded.
>>> SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> There are 0 Legacy clients that should be upgraded.
>>> SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> There are no Legacy clients that need to be upgraded.
>>> SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> Sent the actual site control image to site MRL SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER
>>> 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> Created site control notification for site CMP SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER
>>> 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>> STATMSG: ID=3306 SEV=I LEV=M SOURCE="SMS Server"
>>> COMP="SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER" SYS=COMPSMS1 SITE=CMP PID=2280 TID=4808
>>> GMTDATE=Fri Nov 18 00:00:07.386 2005 ISTR0="C:\PROGRAM
>>> FILES\SMS\inboxes\hman.box\9FU2SVH4.CT2" ISTR1="McLaren Composites Ltd"
>>> ISTR2="CMP" ISTR3="106" ISTR4="" ISTR5="" ISTR6="" ISTR7="" ISTR8=""
>>> ISTR9="" NUMATTRS=0 SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808
>>> (0x12C8)
>>> Did not detect any site control change for site CMP
>>> SMS_HIERARCHY_MANAGER 18/11/2005 00:00:07 4808 (0x12C8)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Cathy Moya [MS]" <camoya@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:Ojtn65w6FHA.1484@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> What does your hman.log say?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cathy Moya, CISSP, MCSE: Security
>>>> Technical Writer, Windows Enterprise Management Division User
>>>> Assistance
>>>>
>>>> Check out the SMS Technical FAQ:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sms/sms2003/techfaq/default.mspx
>>>> This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties and confers no
>>>> rights.
>>>> "Mungoblack" <mungoblack@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:ejvSMqo6FHA.2092@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Yes I created an address for each site as you said. If i look at
>>>>> sender.log it doesnt look as though the two sites are communicating at
>>>>> all as none of the logs mention the site it is trying to communicate
>>>>> with. Heres a bit of the sender.log at the parent site -
>>>>>
>>>>> *********************************************************************************************
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 05:01:01.997 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 05:01:01.997 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 05:01:01.997 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 05:01:01.997 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 05:01:01.997 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 05:01:12.247 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 05:01:12.247 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 05:01:12.247 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 05:01:12.247 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 05:01:12.247 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 06:01:12.201 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 06:01:12.201 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 06:01:12.201 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 06:01:12.201 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 06:01:12.201 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 06:01:22.435 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 06:01:22.435 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 06:01:22.435 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 06:01:22.435 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 06:01:22.435 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 07:01:22.389 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:22.389 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:22.389 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 07:01:22.389 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:22.389 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 07:01:32.514 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:32.514 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:32.514 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 07:01:32.514 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:32.514 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 07:01:37.514 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:37.514 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:37.514 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 07:01:37.514 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 07:01:37.514 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 08:01:37.468 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 08:01:37.468 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 08:01:37.468 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 08:01:37.468 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 08:01:37.468 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~We have 0 active connections $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16
>>>>> 08:01:42.780 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Checking for sending capacity. Used 0 out of 5.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 08:01:42.780 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> Connecting to C:\PROGRAM FILES\SMS\inboxes\schedule.box\outboxes\LAN.~
>>>>> $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 08:01:42.780 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> No (more) send requests found to process.~ $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov
>>>>> 16 08:01:42.780 2005 GMT Standard Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> ~Waiting for new/rescheduled send requests, Maximum Sleep Time = 60
>>>>> minutes $$<SMS_LAN_SENDER><Wed Nov 16 08:01:42.780 2005 GMT Standard
>>>>> Time><thread=5044 (0x13B4)>
>>>>> **********************************************************************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cathy Moya [MS]" <camoya@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e12fnwm6FHA.2888@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> inline
>>>>>> "Mungoblack" <mungoblack@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23vmcgRd6FHA.3592@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Ok i have now typed the code in manually (im sure i read somewhere
>>>>>>> that it had to be selected rather than put in manully??).
>>>>>> One of the things we try to check for in the UI is making it
>>>>>> impossible to do something that isn't allowed. So can type it in
>>>>>> because it is allowed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When i goto site B and change it to be a child site i can now see
>>>>>>> site A in the drop down list and so select it to report to site A.
>>>>>>> How can i tell if all is working ok at this stage?
>>>>>> hman.log is the hieararchy manager log file. As the name implies, it
>>>>>> manages hierarchichal relationships. You should see references to the
>>>>>> parent and child sites from the respective logs. if you don't see it,
>>>>>> the error why should show up in the sender.log.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to push out packages from Site A onto the distribution point
>>>>>>> at site B. If i select an existing package on site A and goto manage
>>>>>>> disttibution points i do not see the distibuition point on site B to
>>>>>>> select? Would this indicate that my sites are still not
>>>>>>> communicating or am i missing out something still?
>>>>>> Possibly. Though remember that SMS is not instantaneous. Especially
>>>>>> if you put any time or bandwidth restrictions on the sender between
>>>>>> the sites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you create one address from the child to the parent and another
>>>>>> address from the parent to the child?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cathy Moya, CISSP, MCSE: Security
>>>>>> Technical Writer, Windows Enterprise Management Division User
>>>>>> Assistance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out the SMS Technical FAQ:
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sms/sms2003/techfaq/default.mspx
>>>>>> This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties and confers no
>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Cathy Moya [MS]" <camoya@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23Qf9Y6W6FHA.2036@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> If they are in the same forest, then there is automatically a trust
>>>>>>>> between them. Even if it's not a direct (shortcut) trust, you have
>>>>>>>> transitive trust between all domains in the forest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said: "Its the addresses setup that im having a problem with.
>>>>>>>> Its here that if i
>>>>>>>> try and setup a standard address when i select the drop down box i
>>>>>>>> dont see
>>>>>>>> the other site to choose?"
>>>>>>>> You should be able to type the site code in, you don't have to
>>>>>>>> select it from the drop down. As long as you type the site code and
>>>>>>>> site server correctly, and have the correct accounts in place
>>>>>>>> (which it sounds like you do) then it should work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cathy Moya, CISSP, MCSE: Security
>>>>>>>> Technical Writer, Windows Enterprise Management Division User
>>>>>>>> Assistance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check out the SMS Technical FAQ:
>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sms/sms2003/techfaq/default.mspx
>>>>>>>> This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties and confers no
>>>>>>>> rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Steve Thompson" <stevethompson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23aH0kdV6FHA.2040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> "Mungoblack" <mungoblack@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:u2RrXAU6FHA.3976@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> The 2 sites are in different domains within the same forest.
>>>>>>>>>> There are no
>>>>>>>>>> trusts setup at the moment. The two servers are able to talk to
>>>>>>>>>> each other
>>>>>>>>>> though so do i really need to setup a trust???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily, it does make the security and name resolution a
>>>>>>>>> bit easier.
>>>>>>>>> Instead of the server netbios name, have you tried using the ip
>>>>>>>>> address of
>>>>>>>>> the servers in the sender addresses on each site?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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