Re: OS related question

From: albertv (albert_at_verbrugh.net)
Date: 03/22/05 

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:19:42 -0600
To: Frank <fb@nospam.com>

Frank wrote:
> albertv wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> albertv wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ed Bennett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> albertv <albert@verbrugh.net> was very recently heard to utter:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 2000 and it's offspring have security issues which are not
>>>>>> enabled in win 98/Se/Me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please feel free to delude yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll stick with an operating system that is supported by updates.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A so you should, however, I'm surprise you lack knowledge about the
>>>> difference between OS98 and NT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't, but it's very obvious from your postings you do.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Windows XP's new support of the full raw socket application
>> programming Interface (API) allows for the creation of fraudulent and
>> damaging Internet traffic. This has never been possible under Windows
>> without first modifying the operating system with third-party device
>> drivers — which has never been done by malicious programs.
>> The security features built into all other raw socket capable
>> operating systems (Windows 2000, Unix, Linux, etc.) deliberately
>> restrict raw socket access to applications running with full "root"
>> privilege. However, the Home Edition of Windows XP executes all
>> applications with full administrative ("root") privilege. Thus,
>> Windows XP eliminates the raw socket safety restrictions imposed by
>> all other operating systems.
>> For the first time ever, applications running under the Home
>> Edition of Windows XP — whether deliberately executed or running as
>> hidden "Trojan" programs — will be easily able, without modifying the
>> operating system in any way, to generate the most damaging forms of
>> Internet attacks.
>> Internet attacks launched from security-compromised Windows
>> systems are already common. (Because security-compromised Windows
>> systems are common.) However, the previous Internet API built into
>> Windows, prevented those attacks from being as damaging as those
>> launched by Unix and Linux systems. The sole reason for this
>> difference was Windows' previous lack of full raw socket support
>> (which was a blessing).
>> No previous version of Windows (9x, ME, or NT) had, or needed,
>> full raw socket support. Those systems worked seamlessly on the
>> Internet. While there are valid uses for advanced raw-IP packet
>> generation by system level processes (NAT routing, IPsec support,
>> etc.), there is no valid use for raw sockets by end-user software. The
>> only applications are Internet Research or the exercise of malice.
>> Therefore, this new danger is without justification.
>> Windows XP's security model, which has been seriously compromised
>> in order to accommodate the needs of Windows 9x legacy applications,
>> will not prevent the wholesale hijacking of Windows XP machines. These
>> compromised machines — with their needlessly potent full raw socket
>> support — will be used to attack and damage any chosen Internet user
>> or site.
>>
>> http://www.grc.com/dos/xpsummary.htm
>>
>> Still think I don't know what I talking about? Say good night!
>>
> That is such old news (Oct 6, 2003) as to no longer be relevant. We all
> knew about it over 2 years ago. No you don't know what you're talking
> about if you still think running any Win9x is more secure than any NT.
> Frank

It maybe old news but nothing has changed Frank. 

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