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Richard

There is a difference in publisher doing resize and compression
You may want to try the compression feature
Format > Picture > compress
Apply to all pictures
Select target output web

I have had some luck compressing/resizing with external software, but have returned to using full size images form camera etc and letting publisher compress for the web. This also leaves your original images in tack and no need to make copies for web pages.

Also you can turn off PNG
Tools > web page options > web site options
Unselect Allow PNG .......

Spike

"Richard Johnson" <RichardJohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:991AC171-0A8F-4D43-A21C-8782916D0340@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi Spike

the PNGs are all Publisher generated.... 1065 is a small 4 button navbar,
and is only 4kb. I'd have thought that a "portable network graphic" file
would be fast ....

I think Publisher PNG's any grouped item.... and seems to also PNG some
headings etc for some reason (but not all of them)

I'll have a try at compression on the desktop (compression within Publisher
+ web page view) and see... but I think I did that once before and wasn't
impressed....

I did resize some images within publisher and I think that keeps the
original size data as well as the resized visual image, and wonder if that
might be the root cause of some of the slowness... I'll see if I can discard
that extra data selectively or replace them with already sized pictures....

as always, thanks to you and David for sharing your time, its greatly
appreciated as are any insights into doing things better.


JPGs....

"Spike" wrote:

Richard

A closer look reveals that your are using PNG images
src="index_files/image1065.png

This may be why they load slowly
Someone on here who is more familiar with the PNG issue may help out here

Spike

"Richard Johnson" <RichardJohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message news:6BF4E541-D66B-4DB6-8D1D-FCF125547994@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Hi Spike
>
> no, I haven't. They weren't large in most cases so I left them, but > they
> do
> seem slow I agree.
>
> Will I lose any resolution if I compress them ... some are already less
> sharp than I would like
>
> regards
>
> Richard
>
> "Spike" wrote:
>
>> My two cents
>> Have you compressed you images in publisher?
>> Seems that they load slowly on my end
>>
>> Spike
>>
>> "Richard Johnson" <RichardJohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> message news:FBF6F8EA-7155-4D0B-8727-8EDC78593599@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Hi David
>> >
>> > Sincere thanks
>> >
>> > It wasn't intended to go live so soon, but in transferring from one
>> > provider
>> > to another my original site was dropped totally so I had no real >> > choice
>> > as
>> > I
>> > didn't have a backup thanks to a recent crash of one of the office
>> > computers
>> > drives!
>> >
>> > I've already started dropping grouping allt together as well as many
>> > text
>> > boxes reformatting pages for FF and also discovered if I always make
>> > images
>> > "inline" rather than exact they seem to stay where they should >> > relative
>> > to
>> > text anywhere on the page in both IE and FF, and two test pages
>> > arealready
>> > reporting as good, so its just a matter of checking and changing >> > now...
>> >
>> > (This was necessary for more than Firefox - even in IE6/7, if the
>> > images
>> > were left as exact" they moved relative to text, which drove me
>> > crazy...
>> > and
>> > back to grouping without thinking of the consequencesm so grouping >> > was
>> > a
>> > later error - I do also confess I got complacent and didn't
>> > continuously
>> > check with FF so my own silly fault)
>> >
>> > However there's nothing I now can't fix thanks largely to your help.
>> >
>> > Re the menus etc: Yes, but I didn't not flow through on your advice
>> > which
>> > was invaluable - I read every bit of advised info from last time and
>> > totally
>> > re-thought it through. I had actually intended to split the site but
>> > things
>> > were going well so I just kept on... My bad.
>> >
>> > Maintenance won't be too hard though as I do have my head around the
>> > site
>> > structure pretty well and have renamed each page very carefully, but >> > I
>> > do
>> > hear you about the complexity of the menus, and once this existing
>> > structure
>> > is working to my satisfaction presentation wise, I will get some >> > client
>> > feedback about how they'd like to see it and go back and redo it... >> > and
>> > add
>> > secure shopping at the same time.
>> >
>> > I'm already doodling a new site tree to talk through with a couple >> > of
>> > firends.
>> >
>> > I really am a novice web wise though so will have to learn a little
>> > about
>> > server side programmes and understand them before I make the >> > changes...
>> >
>> > Sincere thanks for your patience - and ongoing help. I will post >> > back
>> > if
>> > any
>> > more issues - and for the sake of positive completion, when things >> > are
>> > sorted
>> > properly.
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
>> > "DavidF" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Richard,
>> >>
>> >> Lots of questions and two threads starting. I will address the IE8
>> >> issues
>> >> in
>> >> the other thread.
>> >>
>> >> Richard, as per using Publisher to build your site we discussed a >> >> lot
>> >> of
>> >> this in great detail before. At that time I did warn you that the
>> >> bigger
>> >> and
>> >> more complex the site, the harder it would be to maintain with
>> >> Publisher,
>> >> and the more likely you would be better off using a different >> >> program.
>> >> I
>> >> also suggested strongly that if you wanted to proceed that you >> >> should
>> >> break
>> >> your site up and produce it with multiple Publisher files, using
>> >> multiple
>> >> folders or subdirectories. At this point I am beginning to think >> >> that
>> >> given
>> >> the direction you seem to be taking your site, you might be better >> >> off
>> >> developing your site with ASP.net or PHP...or some other server >> >> side
>> >> database program.
>> >>
>> >> I see that you have tried to color code and organize your site >> >> using
>> >> multiple navbars, but to be honest the organization just seems too
>> >> complicated and confusing from the user view point, and I can't
>> >> imagine
>> >> trying to keep it organized and managed from your view point. There >> >> is
>> >> no
>> >> content on your site that you can't produce with Publisher, and >> >> with
>> >> some
>> >> tweaking make all the pages cross browser compatible, but the
>> >> navigation
>> >> system and the way you have things organized are too confusing for >> >> me
>> >> and
>> >> are where you might be better off with a different program. I know >> >> you
>> >> have
>> >> worked really hard on the navigation, but the overall structure of
>> >> your
>> >> site
>> >> still needs work in my opinion, and ultimately it may be that a >> >> server
>> >> side
>> >> data base program might be a better way to manage it.
>> >>
>> >> As per the cross browser issues. The most common errors I see with >> >> Pub
>> >> 2003
>> >> and 2007:
>> >>
>> >> Grouping - if you group a text box with hyperlinked text to any >> >> other
>> >> design
>> >> element, Publisher will convert all those grouped elements into a
>> >> combined
>> >> image for FireFox, which will kill the link. Make sure to ungroup
>> >> everything
>> >> on all pages. Applying the Office 2007 SP2 does not fix this issue >> >> for
>> >> FireFox.
>> >>
>> >> Fill colors and borders - Publisher converts gradient fill colors >> >> and
>> >> fancy
>> >> borders to images much as it does for grouped elements. Use single
>> >> color
>> >> fills and simply borders as a rule. If you want to use a gradient
>> >> fill,
>> >> then
>> >> put the fill in a second text box and layer it behind the text box
>> >> without
>> >> the fill. You can use the same technique for fancy borders.
>> >>
>> >> Test your pages in FF as you build them. Publish your web files to
>> >> your
>> >> local computer and open the index_files folder and look at the >> >> files
>> >> in
>> >> thumbnail view. You should be able to spot text boxes that have >> >> been
>> >> converted to images, and grouped elements converted to images. You >> >> can
>> >> also
>> >> do a web page preview, left click, drag across text to try to >> >> select
>> >> it...if
>> >> you can't, then it has been converted to an image.
>> >>
>> >> The other major area of cross browser compatibility has to do with >> >> how
>> >> Publisher processes images. Under some circumstances Publisher
>> >> produces
>> >> lower quality copies of images for FireFox and other non-IE >> >> browsers.
>> >> Always
>> >> use the Compress pictures feature.
>> >>
>> >> Reference: Compress graphics file sizes to create smaller Publisher
>> >> Web
>> >> pages (2003):
>> >> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx
>> >>
>> >> Reference: Compress Pictures dialog box (2007):
>> >> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA100363901033.aspx?pid=CL100605171033
>> >>
>> >> This will resolve most of the image quality issues. The other part >> >> is
>> >> how
>> >> Publisher makes a lower quality gif file of some word art and other
>> >> graphics. There are several workaround for this, but one quick fix
>> >> that
>> >> takes care of most of the problems, you are already doing. Under >> >> tools
>> >> >
>> >> Options > Web tab you can opt to "allow PNG...". When you choose >> >> this
>> >> option, Publisher produces PNG files for the word art, instead of >> >> GIF
>> >> files
>> >> and in general the PNG files, albeit larger in file size, are >> >> better
>> >> quality. If you uncheck that option and produce your web files and
>> >> preview
>> >> them in FF, you will see a number of lower quality gif files. For >> >> now
>> >> your
>> >> best option is to just stay with the PNG file option.
>> >>
>> >> I will stop at this point. If you fix all the grouping, border, and
>> >> fill
>> >> color issues and still have a FF compatibility issue then post back
>> >> and
>> >> give
>> >> me a link to the page and the specifics of what is not working as
>> >> intended,
>> >> then I can help you with that.
>> >>
>> >> DavidF
>> >>
>> >> "Richard Johnson" <RichardJohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote >> >> in
>> >> message news:ADDDC8C3-1398-4909-8AF2-E71BBE87C817@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Cheers David - OK, I'll stop being lazy!
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, I have underscores in all filenames and folders.
>> >> >
>> >> > I loaded SP2 and no problems with opening files etc, so recreated
>> >> > all
>> >> > pages
>> >> > and re-uploaded... I don't have IE8 to check but hopefully now >> >> > they
>> >> > are
>> >> > OK -
>> >> > is there a way to check without installing IE8 (or can I have >> >> > both
>> >> > on
>> >> > one
>> >> > PC?)?
>> >> >
>> >> > URL is www.dccconcepts.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Now on to fixing all the pages that still display strangely in
>> >> > Firefox!
>> >> >
>> >> > Question: I get the feeling I'm pushing S**t uphill with >> >> > publisher
>> >> > with
>> >> > a
>> >> > site this size.... (actually, thinking back, you did warn me >> >> > :-) ).
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there either a set of do's and dont's with MS publisher to >> >> > avoid
>> >> > firefox
>> >> > etc conflicts, or should I perhaps look for a wysywyg web >> >> > creation
>> >> > package
>> >> > or
>> >> > splash out on something like dreamweaver or elements... lots of >> >> > $$
>> >> > but
>> >> > if
>> >> > I
>> >> > should, I will.
>> >> >
>> >> > As always, sincere thanks for using your free time to help me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Richard
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Sorry, but after you write the link once it should take you >> >> >> about
>> >> >> 20
>> >> >> seconds
>> >> >> to change each one. Just be sure to test the first couple and >> >> >> make
>> >> >> sure
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> you are writing the links correctly, so that you don't have to >> >> >> redo
>> >> >> them
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> second time. And by the way, I am assuming that your subfolder >> >> >> is
>> >> >> called
>> >> >> 'PDF_dowloads' and not 'PDF downloads'. You probably know that >> >> >> you
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> avoid spaces, special characters etc in the folder or file >> >> >> names,
>> >> >> correct?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Office 2007 SP2 does fix the problem with the Publisher 2007
>> >> >> navbars
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> rendering in IE8. Your confusion is probably that some people >> >> >> have

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