Re: Identifying PUB websites

John,

I understand, don't mind and actually appreciate the way you make your input
or suggestions. You are not disruptive...

To be clear it is Eric that is the primary problem in this group and I
should not have generalized. He is ruining this community experience for all
of us. Before he came to the group we enjoyed a synergetic and positive,
learning experience and environment here and people by and large were
respectful of each other and welcomed different views. I just hope that
eventually he will move on and we can get back to that. I must admit, I just
don't understand why people act as trolls and behave as he does and why they
enjoy disrupting these groups and attacking people...

DavidF

"John G." <greentest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,
Yes I respect your choice.
Sometimes alternatives need to be aired so that the choice you make is
based on fact and not just on blind belief.
I did not suggest anyone change nor suggest their choice was wrong, just
that there may be a better way.

An earlier mention of tools for wood work is a good example.
A Bronze age man would think an iron tool was great but if he was shown an
electric tool he may think again.

P.S. Somtimes if I think I can help I do and I try generally to avoid
slanging matches as go on sometimes.

John G.
"DavidF" <Nope@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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John G.,

Serif certainly sounds like a viable alternative to Publisher, and I can
certainly understand how you might feel that MSFT is not responsive
enough. So if you feel that the Serif software is superior, then by all
means make the switch. And if others prefer other software, then go for
it and go to those forums/newsgroups and offer your support there.

However, Publisher webdesign is the subject of this newsgroup, and we
just ask that you and others honor and respect the choices of the people
who have chosen to use Publisher have come here for answers about how
best to use the program.

Freedom of choice...it is a good thing. We certainly respect your choice
to use other software...please respect our choice.

DavidF


"John G." <greentest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I rest my case your Honour,
Serif issues fixes so that users do not have to continue fixing
incompatabilities.
Like between RELATED Micro$oft applications that have existed for years
and years.
In fact instead of fixing problems they have recently introduced more
and worse.
Quote IE8 and Nav Bars.
and Centering has been a thorn forever.

John G.

"MAURH" <???> wrote in message
news:O%23zlBAp4JHA.1372@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
But Serif also have to issue patches for things that go wrong with
their web building product!!!....



Serif (Europe) Ltd. is pleased to announce the release of a patch for
WebPlus X2 (build number 11.0.8.033).

The purpose of the patch is to resolve an issues introduced in WebPlus
X2 (11.0.7), for which we apologise, with regards to resampling cropped
and rotated images.

We would recommend that ALL users of WebPlus X2 (English) download and
install this patch. To work out if you need this patch choose "About
WebPlus X2" in the help menu and if the version number is 11.0.7.032 or
less then you need this patch.

Maureen



"John G." <greentest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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For a long while I have avoided joining this argument and have always
admired the work DavidF has put into helping novices, some of whom
need a more fundamental education on computers than this forum can
provide.
Not everyone can get Pub2000 and in fact most of those needing help
have only recently started out in web design and are restricted to
what they have i.e.. Pub 2007 and more and more people are using IE8.
So to continue peddling patches to PUB of any Version is fairly
fruitless.
There are other WYSIWYG web design programs that do not have the most
common problems that PUB has and do not require any learning of HTML
coding either.
Serif Webplus for instance happily uses master pages and happily
centres the output with no apparent problems with IE7, IE8 or FF3.

John G,

"Rob Giordano [MS MVP]" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message news:eHU4NYg4JHA.3544@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
You guys perhaps don't realize how much Eric is trying to help you.

Using Publisher to design websites is like using an adz to *square* a
piece of timber to fit in a *round* hole, when a electric wood lathe
is really what you should be using.

You should at least *try* some of the alternatives.



--
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Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression






"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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'Being an engineer by profession, it is against my nature to expend
funds greater than the need.

--
Don, Vancouver, USA
-----------------------------------
"Find something you love to do and you'll
never have to work a day in your life."
Harvey Mackay, author


"Eric James" <no@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Sorry Don I wasn't intending to knock your web site, or anyone
else's for that matter - just David's rather ill-considered
statement about tools & skill.
Thing is, if you're using a rubbish tool for whatever it is you're
doing, you're always going to be constrained by that tool. And yes,
you can undoubtedly achieve better results by practice and learning
how to better use the tool - but that effort is essentially going
to be wasted when you finally hit the limits of the tool, and a lot
of time and effort could have been saved by getting a better tool
in the first place.
(And that's without even considering the fact that many of the
problems raised here have actually been caused by the tool not
working properly, rather than the user not using it properly!).
The complexity of analogies here though is that in the case of
making good web pages, if you put the effort into learning and
understanding html & css, you won't actually need a 'tool', and
many tools can in fact become more of a hindrance than a help - so
it's not just about price.
Maybe it's like riding a bicycle - when you've learnt how to do it,
you won't need outriders any more and won't fall off and hurt
yourself so much.


"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Eric,
Each organization that has a website does so for a specific
purpose and how and the quality is dependent on the resources of
skill and finances. I'm the first to admit I'm not an artist or
highly skilled designer (of websites). But my efforts of our Sons
of Italy website, www.vanusa.org is my best effort for, attracting
those who wish to take part in Italian heritage, customs, language
and comradery get a posting of how to contact us. The second, and
maybe the most important use of the site is the User name,
Password protected area which contains current member information,
meeting minutes, announcements and other documents for reference
and interest.

So, you may knock our website; you may knock our lodge, but if you
knock mia nonna Apollonia's ravioli, we'll put you in the witness
protection plan. (As Tony Soprano would say)
If you can't identify the humor, you, with the prayers to Saint
Swithins are hopeless. (We use English Saints for the hopeless)

Ciao, mia amico.

--
Donato - Publisher 2000®
Vancouver, USA




















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