Re: Problem displaying web pages

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David,
Both those sites appear fine on my lap top.

I still need to change the image in the Gutter Guys web site. Do these
appear poor quality to you? If not I might just leave them.
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terryp


"DavidF" wrote:

Terry,

Yes, your site looks good in both IE7 and FF3 on my computer, and the new
logos you created also are much better in FF. Good job.

Now, I must concede that as you said from the beginning there seems to be
something specific to your laptop that is resulting in your pages rendering
poorly. The fact that the pages look good to me and to you on the other
machines,
does indeed suggest the problem is specific to your laptop and not Publisher
websites. And as you suggested it might be tied into something that happened
several weeks ago.

Do you have the same problem with viewing websites other than your own? Does
this site look fuzzy on your laptop?
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/CH100793371033.aspx

How about the pictures on this site?
http://www.beltonstud.com/

Do you have your laptop set for automatic updates, or did you install any
new software on or about the time this started to happen?

If this issue is non Publisher websites specific, then yes, it might be
beyond me, but perhaps someone else reading this thread might be able to
provide some insight.

DavidF

"terryp" <terryp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,
Forget the previous post, I worked out how to do this.

I now have both web sites working in ie7 and in FF but my laptop is still
displaying high quality images poorly when viewing them through ie7 and
FF. I
don't know if this is your area of expertise and if not would like to
thank
you for getting me to this point.
--
terryp


"DavidF" wrote:

Terry,

My bad. I was looking at Pub 2007 when I gave you those directions, and
Compress pictures is built-in. I forgot that you were using Pub 2003 and
need to add the feature:

Reference: Compress graphics file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web
pages (2003):
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx

You add it to the picture toolbar after installing the SP. And the
compress
picture dialog does not give you as many options as it does in Pub 2007.
The
option to resample pictures is not on the dialog, but it will resample
anyway. Perhaps before you do it, Publish to the web and direct all your
files to your desktop or somewhere else you can easily find them. Go into
the index_files folder and find the pictures we are talking about. Before
you compress the image, you should find two copies of the picture, and
two
different sizes. Now compress the picture and republish to your desktop
and
look at the image files again. This time you should find only one copy of
the picture, and the dimensions and the file size should be smaller.

And finally if you don't like the quality of the picture you get through
the
compress pictures function, try resampling and optimizing the picture in
Irfanview or some other image editors before you insert it, as suggested.

DavidF

"terryp" <terryp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,
I selected the logo and then went to "Format" "picture" "picture tab"
but
there is no compress button. I tried right clicking the image and got
to
the
same place but still no compress button.
--
terryp


"DavidF" wrote:

Terry,

OK, let's set aside the issue of your laptop for the
moment...especially
since I am currently out of good ideas :-)

However, in studying the code of the page you currently have posted at
http://www.aluminiumguttersupplies.com.au I see that your code is
still
rendering two different versions of both your company logo and the
Colortuff
logo. Here is the company logo image rendered in IE7 for me:
http://www.aluminiumguttersupplies.com.au/index_files/image591.jpg
Notice that it is a jpg file 1798 X 616 image at 96 pixels per inch.
Where
as in FF a different image is rendered:
http://www.aluminiumguttersupplies.com.au/index_files/image5911.gif
It is a gif file 384 X 132 @ 72 ppi, and is of much lower quality than
the
jpg.

A similar situation for the Colorstuff logo. Here is the image that is
rendered in IE7:
http://www.aluminiumguttersupplies.com.au/index_files/image541.jpg
Notice it is a jpg file 1257 X 520 @ 300 pixels per inch, and the
version
seen in FF is:
http://www.aluminiumguttersupplies.com.au/index_files/image5411.gif
It is a gif 132 X 44 @ 72 ppi

This suggests to me that though you thought you compressed those
pictures,
you did not. Publisher would not be making a low quality gif copy of
the
original jpg if you had. So, select each logo and go to Format >
Picture
>
Picture tab and at the bottom see the Compress button. Click it and in
the
Compress Pictures dialog make sure that Resample pictures is checked,
and
the target output is web. And though you can Apply to all pictures, I
think
that because of the default setting that does not automatically
resample
any
graphic smaller than 100 kb, it will not do the color stuff logo
automatically. I think you might have to compress or more specifically
resample each.

Now Publish to the Web and see if that makes any difference as to how
it
looks on your local computer? And, so I can monitor your progress, do
upload
the new web files to your host so I can see if the change helps in how
it
looks for me on FF.

That is all I have time for this morning, so if you can compress those
two
logos again, and upload the new files and let me know if it made any
difference on how they look on your laptop, we will take it from
there.
By
the way, I assume that you are keeping original copies of all these
images
as we mess with them?

DavidF

"terryp" <terryp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,

I went into multimedia and "Always use cleartype for HTML" was
already
checked.

I changed the screen resolution down but this made no difference.

The grainyness only occurs when I view this site through ie7 and FF.
When
viewing this site in publisher the images are good quality.

I saved the images as 96dpi gif images and confirmed that they are
displaying at 100%. Interestingly, as soon as I did this the images
appeared
grainy in publisher as well as the two browsers. Is there a clue
here?

Terry
--
terryp


"DavidF" wrote:

Terryp,

Hey...making progress...good work!

The issue of the images being grainy can be explained, but the text
is
a
different story...especially as it is not grouped and being
converted
to
an
image and is just happening on your laptop. So let me make a stab
at
that
first. Sometimes when you do not have an LCD screen set at its
'native'
resolution, you can end up with fuzzy images and text. I am
wondering
if
your text would look better if you changed the resolution on your
laptop
back to where it was set when you got it. And even if you didn't
reset
the
resolution at some point of time, try dropping the resolution one
or
two
notches from where it is set. If it is at 1280, then drop it to
1152
or
whatever is the next size smaller for your laptop. Remember you can
access
those controls via the display properties.

Here is another stab that you might try first. Open IE7 > Tools >
Internet
Options > Advanced Tab. Scroll down to the Multimedia section and
make
sure
that 'Always use Clear Type for HTML' is selected. This can help
make
text
more crisp.

Now as to the images being grainy, I am guessing that what you see
is
the
difference in appearance of how those logos look on IE vs. how they
look
on
FF for me. They are grainy, lower resolution pictures than what I
see
on
IE7. To explain, first of all, the compress graphics feature does
not
change
any graphic that is less than 100 kb, which I am certain includes
your
logos. Secondly because of the way the coding engine works and the
built-in
VML, Publisher almost always produces a low resolution copy of
clipart
that
renders in FF poorly. Part of the reason is that many times a
person
inserts
a logo or piece of clipart that is at 72 dpi, but Publisher makes a
96
dpi
copy of that image for FF when you produce your web files, which
results
in
a grainy, low res image. Regardless of the reason why it does this
there
is
a fix...usually.

Open your publication, right click your logo > Save as a Picture
and
look
for the resolution option above the file name. Choose the Web (96
dpi)
option. Then try saving as a GIF, a PNG and maybe even a JPG. The
GIF
file
will be the smallest file size and will load the fastest. Insert
these
new
images into your page instead of the original logo image. Then be
sure
to
select that image > Format > Size tab and confirm that the scale is
at
100%.
Now when you produce your web files, Publisher will use that image
instead
of making a bad copy of it. Test to see which file format gives you
the
best
results. I would test in FF on one of your other computers to
confirm
what
will be seen by other people, but of course I hope that it also
gives
you
a
better quality image on your laptop too.

You can also optimize these logos and other images in a third party
image
.

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