Re: Email form in 2003

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Hello David
I have completed the site and it is now running from PUB2007. All sems to be
OK thanks to you.

The only problem found is in FireFox, the HOME return button does not work,
but the Email button does. They both work in IE..any thoughts

Kind regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

David,

You are welcome, and I hope I didn't over do it.

As per installing FF to test your pages, it isn't necessarily important how
many of your visitors are using FF. The reason to test and tweak so your
pages work in FF is so they will also work in what ever browser your visitor
uses. The goal is to optimize cross browser compatibility. It takes some
work, and you certainly don't have to do it...your pages do view in FF...but
it seems to me that if you are going to invest this much time and effort in
creating a business website, that you might as well take it a step or two
further to make sure every potential customer will be able to view and use
your site, and that their experience is the best it can be. As you indicated
that you were going to be rebuilding the navbar and tweaking the site
anyway, I thought it an opportune time to make this suggestion...better now
than when you were finished. And as I said, you have a pretty good site in
the making, so don't let my comments overshadow that. Good luck.

DavidF

"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David
Thank you for your most detailed report - it is very appricated, and I
will
take on board all you have suggested.
Regarding Firefox, only 2% of visitors use this but I will check it out
as
I am sure this will become more popualr over the years.

I hope to make changes over the wekend so please check again to see

Kind regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

Hiya,

I would suggest a couple things.

First of all before you go much further, I strongly recommend that you
download and install FireFox if you don't already have it installed. Your
pages have some issues in FF, and you should tweak your design so that
the
pages look good in both IE and FF. Do that, and your pages will look good
in
almost every browser.

FireFox (5.7 MB): http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
When you install it just make sure to opt out of making it your default
browser, and you should have no problems. Then to test your site, when
you
Publish to the Web, direct your web files to a folder on your hard drive
where you can easily find them...I typically use the Desktop. Then go to
the
index.htm file that you produced and right click, open with, FF to see
how
the page will look in FF. You can also just open FF and go to File > open
and browse to the index.htm file. Also open the index_files folder you
created and test the other .htm files...the other pages in your site.

When you do that you will notice that you have a few issues. For one, it
appears that you have put much of your heading on a Master Page, as you
can
not see it in FF. Unfortunately you cannot use the Master Page in Pub
2003
with a web page. Move all that content onto your main pages.

Pictures. The pictures in FF are not as good as the ones in IE. I think
that
part of the reason you are still getting PNG files after disabling that
option is that you appear to be using a lot of transparent GIF files. I
have
found that some of the transparent GIFs that look fine in Pub 2000 do not
work well in Pub 2003 and 2007. So, if you are using transparent gifs, I
would actually suggest that you enable the png option. The transparent
GIFs
will be converted to transparent PNGs, and you should get better pictures
in
FF.

I could be wrong about that because it also looks like you may have
grouped
all the images on the home page together, because in FF, they have been
combined into one big image:
http://www.justmints.co.uk/index_files/image1786.gif
You might try ungrouping those images first, Publish to the web and
looking
at the page in FF and see if that helped.

As per your navbar, yes it needs some work. It appears from looking at
the
home page that you created individual text boxes for each link? If true,
I
would suggest that you go with one text box instead. There are some other
options that I can describe, but before I do, please describe exactly how
you are making the navbar.

And speaking of navbars, I see that on some of your pages you have moved
the
navbar to the right side of the page, and in other cases you actually
have
it on both sides. Keep the navbar at the same place on each page...leave
it
on the left. You don't want people to have to figure out where it is on
each
page...be consistent.

I also notice that on
http://www.justmints.co.uk/index_files/ClicClacMints.htm you have "price
includes" underlined. That is not a good practice. The underline tells
people that it is a hyperlink...and it isn't. This is one of those print
format practices that should probably not be used in a web.

One final comment at this point, it seems that you are putting the bottom
navbar at exactly the same place on each page regardless of how much
content
is on that page. I would suggest moving it up to just below the last
design
elements on any particular page. When you Publish to the Web, Publisher
will
truncate the page right after the last element on the page. Having the
bottom navbar near the last of your content would make it easier for a
person to click to another page without having to scroll down or back up
to
access the navbar.

A general comment: You have a lot going on with your website. I can see
why
the files are large. Over all I think you are doing a pretty good job and
should be proud of your work. If you put some energy into building a
better
navbar and tweaking the design so it works in both IE and FF, I think you
will be happy with the results.

DavidF


"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David
I have used Pub 2007 to see if any different, but still geting lots of
PNG
and wmz files.

However, I have uploaded it to the site for testing
www.justmints.co.uk
The email is not working yet. (nothing to do with PUB)

Some of the images do take a while to load (as other people have said).
I think I will redesign the menu as it is not very stable using
hyperlinks.

Is there an Auto Refresh script I can use so a page refershes just
once
when they enter any page.

Kind regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

Yes, you want filtered html. If you do a Save As in Pub 2003 you get
the
unfiltered html that is very bloated with lots of Office tags. That
option
has been removed in 2007.

Holding page in 2000...hummm...the code sure doesn't look like it, but
that
is unimportant at this point.

Good luck.

DavidF

"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thanks David
I am happy to continue with Pub2003 and see how it looks when I
upload
it.
I hope to do this by the weekend so take a look then and see what
you
think.
One point, when I 'publish to the web' in the save box it only has
one
option, to save as a 'web page, filtered'. I assume this is
correct.


The 'holding' page from the old site WAS made in Pub200.

Regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

At this point I don't know what to tell you. It is possible that
the
weight
is because of all the images. The code that Pub 2003 produces is
also
heavier than Pub 2000. And as I said, wordart from Pub 2000 is
probably
being converted into the .wmz files, but I don't know why you are
still
getting .png files. I guess if I were you I would look at the
index_files
folder on your desktop in thumbnail view and try to figure out what
images
or graphics are being converted to .png files, and see if you have
duplicates....png files and jpg or gif files of the same image.
That
might
give you some insight into why you still have png files.

The current page at http://www.justmints.co.uk/ is not a Publisher
generated
page, so it is kind of hard to help or troubleshoot any more than I
have.
If
and when you publish your Publisher pages, I will be happy to take
a
look
at
them. Provide a link to a page that has png and wmz files.

You could also always consider going back to Pub 2000 for your web
pages.
You can have both Pub 2000 and 2003 installed on the same computer.
I
have
97, 2000, 2003 and 2007 installed (have a copy of 2002, but hate it
so
much
I don't want to clutter my computer with it). Though it has
limitations,
I
use Pub 2000 for my webs, and most of my production work. I use
2003
and
2007 primarily to work out solutions for this newsgroup. To each
there
own...

DavidF

"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Yes there a lot of images - it is a sales site. If I did this
in
PUB2000
the size would be around 6Mb, but because PUB2003 adds lots more
files
it
takes it up to around 10Mb.
I have made all the changes you suggested but it still saves PNG
and
WMZ
files
regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

David,

No way can I see why you are getting total file size of
10MB...you
must
be
doing something wrong unless you have an awful lot of pictures.
Go
to
Tools
> Options > Web tab again, and make sure that you have the
"allow
png.."
and
the "rely on vml..." options turned off. Then run the compress
graphics
tool
again, and be sure to opt for all images in your Pub file. Now
Publish
to
the Web (not Save as a Web page), and this time direct your
output
to
your
desktop. Then go to those files and study them there. Do you
still
have a
lot of pngs and total size of 10 mb? How many pages in your
site?
.

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