Re: Email form in 2003

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Hiya,

I would suggest a couple things.

First of all before you go much further, I strongly recommend that you
download and install FireFox if you don't already have it installed. Your
pages have some issues in FF, and you should tweak your design so that the
pages look good in both IE and FF. Do that, and your pages will look good in
almost every browser.

FireFox (5.7 MB): http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
When you install it just make sure to opt out of making it your default
browser, and you should have no problems. Then to test your site, when you
Publish to the Web, direct your web files to a folder on your hard drive
where you can easily find them...I typically use the Desktop. Then go to the
index.htm file that you produced and right click, open with, FF to see how
the page will look in FF. You can also just open FF and go to File > open
and browse to the index.htm file. Also open the index_files folder you
created and test the other .htm files...the other pages in your site.

When you do that you will notice that you have a few issues. For one, it
appears that you have put much of your heading on a Master Page, as you can
not see it in FF. Unfortunately you cannot use the Master Page in Pub 2003
with a web page. Move all that content onto your main pages.

Pictures. The pictures in FF are not as good as the ones in IE. I think that
part of the reason you are still getting PNG files after disabling that
option is that you appear to be using a lot of transparent GIF files. I have
found that some of the transparent GIFs that look fine in Pub 2000 do not
work well in Pub 2003 and 2007. So, if you are using transparent gifs, I
would actually suggest that you enable the png option. The transparent GIFs
will be converted to transparent PNGs, and you should get better pictures in
FF.

I could be wrong about that because it also looks like you may have grouped
all the images on the home page together, because in FF, they have been
combined into one big image:
http://www.justmints.co.uk/index_files/image1786.gif
You might try ungrouping those images first, Publish to the web and looking
at the page in FF and see if that helped.

As per your navbar, yes it needs some work. It appears from looking at the
home page that you created individual text boxes for each link? If true, I
would suggest that you go with one text box instead. There are some other
options that I can describe, but before I do, please describe exactly how
you are making the navbar.

And speaking of navbars, I see that on some of your pages you have moved the
navbar to the right side of the page, and in other cases you actually have
it on both sides. Keep the navbar at the same place on each page...leave it
on the left. You don't want people to have to figure out where it is on each
page...be consistent.

I also notice that on
http://www.justmints.co.uk/index_files/ClicClacMints.htm you have "price
includes" underlined. That is not a good practice. The underline tells
people that it is a hyperlink...and it isn't. This is one of those print
format practices that should probably not be used in a web.

One final comment at this point, it seems that you are putting the bottom
navbar at exactly the same place on each page regardless of how much content
is on that page. I would suggest moving it up to just below the last design
elements on any particular page. When you Publish to the Web, Publisher will
truncate the page right after the last element on the page. Having the
bottom navbar near the last of your content would make it easier for a
person to click to another page without having to scroll down or back up to
access the navbar.

A general comment: You have a lot going on with your website. I can see why
the files are large. Over all I think you are doing a pretty good job and
should be proud of your work. If you put some energy into building a better
navbar and tweaking the design so it works in both IE and FF, I think you
will be happy with the results.

DavidF


"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David
I have used Pub 2007 to see if any different, but still geting lots of PNG
and wmz files.

However, I have uploaded it to the site for testing www.justmints.co.uk
The email is not working yet. (nothing to do with PUB)

Some of the images do take a while to load (as other people have said).
I think I will redesign the menu as it is not very stable using
hyperlinks.

Is there an Auto Refresh script I can use so a page refershes just once
when they enter any page.

Kind regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

Yes, you want filtered html. If you do a Save As in Pub 2003 you get the
unfiltered html that is very bloated with lots of Office tags. That
option
has been removed in 2007.

Holding page in 2000...hummm...the code sure doesn't look like it, but
that
is unimportant at this point.

Good luck.

DavidF

"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thanks David
I am happy to continue with Pub2003 and see how it looks when I upload
it.
I hope to do this by the weekend so take a look then and see what you
think.
One point, when I 'publish to the web' in the save box it only has
one
option, to save as a 'web page, filtered'. I assume this is correct.


The 'holding' page from the old site WAS made in Pub200.

Regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

At this point I don't know what to tell you. It is possible that the
weight
is because of all the images. The code that Pub 2003 produces is also
heavier than Pub 2000. And as I said, wordart from Pub 2000 is
probably
being converted into the .wmz files, but I don't know why you are
still
getting .png files. I guess if I were you I would look at the
index_files
folder on your desktop in thumbnail view and try to figure out what
images
or graphics are being converted to .png files, and see if you have
duplicates....png files and jpg or gif files of the same image. That
might
give you some insight into why you still have png files.

The current page at http://www.justmints.co.uk/ is not a Publisher
generated
page, so it is kind of hard to help or troubleshoot any more than I
have.
If
and when you publish your Publisher pages, I will be happy to take a
look
at
them. Provide a link to a page that has png and wmz files.

You could also always consider going back to Pub 2000 for your web
pages.
You can have both Pub 2000 and 2003 installed on the same computer. I
have
97, 2000, 2003 and 2007 installed (have a copy of 2002, but hate it so
much
I don't want to clutter my computer with it). Though it has
limitations,
I
use Pub 2000 for my webs, and most of my production work. I use 2003
and
2007 primarily to work out solutions for this newsgroup. To each there
own...

DavidF

"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:8EB332FC-4FC1-4FAB-B566-8A62B3178BB4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes there a lot of images - it is a sales site. If I did this in
PUB2000
the size would be around 6Mb, but because PUB2003 adds lots more
files
it
takes it up to around 10Mb.
I have made all the changes you suggested but it still saves PNG and
WMZ
files
regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

David,

No way can I see why you are getting total file size of 10MB...you
must
be
doing something wrong unless you have an awful lot of pictures. Go
to
Tools
> Options > Web tab again, and make sure that you have the "allow
png.."
and
the "rely on vml..." options turned off. Then run the compress
graphics
tool
again, and be sure to opt for all images in your Pub file. Now
Publish
to
the Web (not Save as a Web page), and this time direct your output
to
your
desktop. Then go to those files and study them there. Do you still
have a
lot of pngs and total size of 10 mb? How many pages in your site?

DavidF

"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:C0596B6B-3570-4680-9F7C-94046823EE46@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi David,
Thanks for the tip. I did compress and the PNG was uncheched,
but I
still
get a load of PNG files and WMZ files. Even so, the overall
saving
is
only
about 500k. The total finished file will be no more then 10Mb so
I
will
have
to live with the extra files.

Thanks for the help
Regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

If you don't compress the images prior to publishing, then Pub
2003
makes
copies of all your images in various formats, size and
resolution
in
an
effort to serve up the best image depending on the browser used
to
view
the
page...with dubious results. Run the compress graphics tool, and
you
won't
get all the extra files. That may not be totally true, as
Publisher
converts
wordart to .wmz files. You can also eliminate some png files by
disabling
that option in Tools > Options > Web tab...uncheck "Allow
png...".

As per the link, I can't get it to work. Is the
Emailthankyou.htm
file
in
the index_files folder? Are you using the subfolder option? Have
you
used
FTP to upload any of your files?

DavidF

"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Rob
I cant see anyhing different in this link to the one in my
first
email,
but
now it does work....thanks anyway.

On a different subject - can you confirm I have to uplaod ALL
image
files
the 2003 reproduces. It seems my jpegs are converted to gifs,
png
and
wmz
files. Do I need to use all of these on the site?

Many thanks
David
--
David Balaam


"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:

The path to the thank you page is incorrect, it actually
IS;;;
http://www.justmints.co.uk/Emailthankyou.htm
so you should change it back.

BTW, you should avoid capitalization of file names...also
avoid
spaces
as
well.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression






"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David
I am getting used to 2003 (slowly) and realize it does not
perform
same
as
2000.

I did add /index_files/ afterwards as I forgot to include
it
but
it
made
no
difference. I still get error 'message page not found'.
I have checked the Front Page is turned-on. Not sure what
else
to
do.
Regards
David Balaam


"DavidF" wrote:

It could be because Pub 2000 did not use a subfolder to
organize
the
supporting graphics and the other pages on your site. When
you
"Publish
to
the Web" with Pub 2003 to generate your web files (do not
do
a
Save
As
a
web
page as you did in Pub 2000), you will get an index.htm
file
plus
an
index_files folder, unless you changed the default
settings.
Assuming
that
Emailthankyou.htm is part of your main web publication,
then
the
link
to
that page would be
http://www.justmints.co.uk/index_files/Emailthankyou.htm
(note the underscore in "index_files" does not show in the
link.)
as
it
is
now in the index_files folder. If you do not use the
option
to
organize
your
files in a subfolder, then the link would be different. Go
to
Tools
>
Options > Web tab to see the options, and while you are
there,
be
sure
to
uncheck "rely on VML..." to get better cross browser
compatibility.

There are a number of substantial changes in the way Pub
2000
and
Pub
2003
work. One other one easily missed is the way Publisher
2003
handles
embedded
images. It no longer automatically resamples and resizes
the
images
as
it
did in Pub 2000.

Reference: Compress graphics file sizes to create smaller
Publisher
Web
pages (2003):
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx

DavidF


"David Balaam" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I am using email form in 2003 which is OK, but I cannot
get
this
redirect
line to work. It always worked in Pub 2000 but not now.

<form
action="http://www.justmints.co.uk/cgi-bin/formmail.cgi";
method="GET"
onsubmit="return FSubmitValidation(this)">
<input type="hidden" name="recipient"
value="sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx">


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