Re: Attention David F

Hiya Mike,

I hoped that you would drop by and see this thread. Christiaan is a happy
camper! You are an expert with WP and I have always appreciated and valued
your perspective, but it was very interesting getting his perspective.

I am curious though. I connect at 31.2 and my real world results were at
least twice as long as indicated by his report. Why do you suppose that is?
Also, is Christiaan's load time "typical" of WP sites with comparable number
of images, text and page size?

How is the garden going?

DavidF

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,

Interesting reading his report. :-)

From websiteoptimization.com:
Download Times*
Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 297.46 seconds
28.8K 151.43 seconds
33.6K 130.57 seconds
56K 80.50 seconds
ISDN 128K 28.40 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 7.40 seconds

Mike

DavidF wrote:
Christian,

Thanks for the report. It is interesting and educational to hear the
comparison from a person that had built a 200+ page site in Publisher,
and then switched to Web Plus.

Don't put much weight on my comment about the African print...that has
nothing to do with function, and I was just saying that I did like your
old design with that print. It is not saying that your new design is not
ok...and perhaps better.

As to the load time, I did notice a lot of errors being thrown on the
status bar while it loaded, and it seemed associated with the Google
analytics or other scripts running, but that may not have had anything to
do with it. I get by with a dial-up connection at my home because I have
broadband at my office...too cheap to pay for high speed both places. But
this does afford me the opportunity to text how fast my pages load for
all those people that have dial-up. Perhaps that is not as important as
it used to be. MSFT sure seems to think so, and I think many designers
have just given up on the dial-up user. Perhaps you have gotten no
comments from the Serif forum because no one is using dial-up? Perhaps
you can find someone else with dial-up to test your site.

My estimate of load time was a rough estimate as I just counted in my
head as it loaded. However, that is what I always do when I try to assess
the relative load speed of pages submitted to this group etc. I did find
a site that gives you some more "objective" data on the loading. You
might use it to get at least a relative comparison against other pages
and sites:
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/
I don't know how accurate it is, but you can try it.

Thanks again for the report. I think I will stay with Publisher 2000 for
my site for now, but I could see why other Publisher users would want to
switch. Web Plus does seem to offer a lot of features that you don't find
in Publisher. Good luck to you.

DavidF

"Christiaan" <Christiaan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David,

I must admit, I am working on three sites at the moment so yes I have
been
busy. I also think that the extra green background is killing the African
print a bit so I will rectify that. I have read through the serif forum
and
no one is complaining about the loading times and WP does the compresion
of
images automatically. My home page has got a lot of code on it but I will
see
what I can do about the loading time.

Managing a large site with WP is a hell of a lot easier than with
publisher.
You click on publish to the web and you tick the pages you want to
upload. If
you are doing an update, you tick the pages that you want to update and
then
you click on incremental publish. WP verifies the files and updates the
changes you have made. I updated 4 pages this morning and the file
verification and the update took about 2 minutes.

What do I like best about WP, hell where should I start.

With the drop down menus on my provincial pages, I managed to decrease my
site with about 70 pages. I made the drop down menus with codes that I
got
from dynamicdrive.com.

Almost every shape that you create with WP can be reshaped with nodes and
the colour tools for filling, lines and backgrounds are great. You can
create
and add your own colours as you wish.

You can decide whether you want to preview a single page or your whole
site
in IE or in FF which I installed recently. There is no limitations on
form
design and you have access to serif web resources that provides objects
like
RSS feeds, e-commerce and blogging that you can insert to your site for
free.

WP also provides quite a few website and e-mail templates that really
looks
great and insert functions for java script and flash objects. The design
and
layout checker is also really great. I can go on and on but for $40 you
should try it. I downloaded the WP10 and it works perfectly. WP also
brought
down my site size from 20megs to 1.8 megs.

I did pick up a small problem though, my program crashed soon after I
downloaded it but I downloaded it through a download manager so I could
just
repair it and the problem seems solved. I think you will enjoy WP because
it
is still a bit of a challenge to work with.

Regards,

Christiaan

"DavidF" wrote:


Hi Christiaan,

Thanks for posting the link. You have been busy...

Nice new design, though I must admit that I really liked the "African
print"
that you used in your Publisher built site.

For what it is worth, I would work on the loading time. Your home page
took
more than 4 minutes...almost 5, to load on my dial-up connection. If I
was a
first time visitor, I doubt that I would have stayed around while it
loaded.
You might ask the WP experts in their forum about how to speed it up. Is
the
slow loading typical behavior for a Web Plus site?

One of the main reasons you switched was it had become very difficult
for
you to manage your large Publisher site. Have you found it easier to
manage
with WP? Does WP allow you to do incremental uploading? Having switched
from
Publisher, what do you like best about working with Web Plus?

Thanks again.

DavidF

"Christiaan" <Christiaan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,

I have downloaded the Serif Web Plus program and rebuilt my site but I
am
not finished though. My online booking system isnt working and I have
added
drop down menus when you mouse over the towns. Look for the thin blue
line
on
my provincial maps and mouse over them. If I remember correctly I
promised
that I will let you know when I have published so have a look please.
Please
allow for the home page to download properly.

www.siyayasa.com

Christiaan





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