Re: What do I do to my web site for MAC users be able to click on

Yeah, I kind of got carried away on this one <g>, but thanks for the
feedback.

I just hope that it helps vs. overloads Devra.

DavidF

"John G" <Greentest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,
You deserve a medal for all the effort you put in to describing peoples
problems for them and how to fix them.
And this current reply should be available somewhere for all newbie's to
read as it covers so many of the layout problems that plague people.

John G.

"DavidF" <Nope@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Devra,

By the way, I didn't read your original post very well. You did say that
you were using Pub 2007 and I just didn't notice. I tend to assume people
are using 2003 and thus the directions about VML...sorry.

You have fallen into the common trap of using print document formatting,
fonts, and design techniques. Web pages are a different medium, and you
can't convert everything you do on a print document to html. You have to
change your mindset.

This is probably why the hyperlinks do not work on an MAC, or in FireFox
as Mike points out. Everything including the links are converted to
images in FF, and this kills the links.

You should design and test your Publisher webpages so that they work in
both IE and in FF. If you accomplish that goal, then I would bet that
your MAC friends will also find the links work.

The first thing you should do is download and install FireFox.
http://en.www.mozilla.com/en/firefox/
It is a relatively small file size and a quick download...and is free.
Then you can install it, but opt out of making it the default browser, so
you can still use IE as the default.

Then when you want to test your Pub webpages in FF, just Publish to the
Web and direct the html output, the index.htm file and the index_files
folder, to your computer where you can easily find them. I use a folder
on the Desktop. Then open FireFox and go to File > Open File and browse
to where you put the index.htm file. This way you can preview and test
the page before you upload it.

As you now have FF installed and have produced test files, when you open
either your internet home page or the test "index.htm" file of your web
site on your computer, try to left click, drag, select any text on the
page and you will notice that you can't. It has all been converted to an
image. And of course the hyperlinks are dead.

To fix your page so it will work in FF, you are going to have to change
some stuff...and should probably redesign most of the page. First to the
stuff:

Run the Design Checker in Publisher and see what it finds are design
problems. It will likely find most of the things I noticed, and perhaps
more.

First of all if you are using a Master Page in your document, then don't.
This works fine in a print doc, but not a web doc. If you were using a
master page and have fixed all the issues found by the design checker,
then much of the rest of this reply may not apply.

You probably need to get rid of that green border. It appears that you
drew lines around the content and in doing so you created one big image
in FireFox.
http://www.islandtimerealty.com/index_files/image408.gif
This means everything within it is also converted to an image and that
the page is forced to be as long as the image, even though the page
length isn't needed. Publisher normally automatically ends the page after
the last design element, and thus will produce custom length pages. In
this case, you end up you forcing a 4608 pixel length page...the length
of that border.

Another possible reason for everything being converted to an image is
that you have apparently "covered" the background image that was in the
original publication. It is in the code, and in the background, but it
does not show on your page. Here is the background image:
http://www.islandtimerealty.com/index_files/image321.gif

Here is the image that you "covered" the background with:
http://www.islandtimerealty.com/index_files/image809.gif
This is a white colored image that is 1344 X 4608! I am not sure how you
did this, but if you added the image to cover the background or a white
filled text box, that was the wrong approach. If you want a solid white
background on your web pages go to Format > Background. Under Apply a
background select the white color. That will replace image321.gif as the
background image, and you will not need the white image or text box you
added to the Pub document as a background. Fix this and you may fix the
page length problem and everything turning into an image when you create
the html.

The next problem to fix is the fonts you have chosen to use. Papyrus is
not a web friendly font, and as a result Publisher converts it to an
image, and kills the links. Change your nav bar button fonts to a web
friendly font. Select the text, go to Format > Font and in the dialog
make sure that Show only Web fonts are selected. Choose one of those.
Test to see if this alone will fix the problem of killing the link in FF.
You may also have to remove the border on those text boxes. If you prefer
to use a non-web friendly font in a title or some other way, then might
be ok if you are ok with it being an image. However, that text will
probably look a little fuzzy as an image...and of course the search
engine robots won't be able to index your page cuz they don't read
images...your choice.

Now those are just the problems I caught on your home page...there may be
more. Remember some things you do in print, just won't convert to html.
Here is a good reference and though it is talking about formatting an
email message in html, many if not most of the formatting issues it
discusses also apply to web pages. So you can use this list to help you
troubleshoot any other issues you have on your page(s). Reference: Tips
and troubleshooting for sending a publication page as an e-mail message:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HP010390591033.aspx?pid=CH062524821033

Now I also asserted that it would probably be a good idea to do a
complete redesign. As you will already be making a lot of changes that
will probably require you to change your layout, I would suggest that you
reconsider your page width. If you purposely chose to make your page 1344
+/- pixels wide, then in my opinion that is a major mistake. That is way
too wide.

If you go to Edit > Page Setup you will notice that you have three
default web page widths of 600, 760 and new to Pub 2007, 984 pixel wide
pages. And if you see these measurements in inches then back up a step
and go to Tools Options and on the General Tab change the Measurement
units to pixels from inches. It is much better to design a web page using
pixels rather than inches. But I digress...there are reasons the widest
default page width is only 984 pixels wide. The primary one being that
pages wider than that are going to require horizontal scrolling on way
too many users' computers. Yes, monitors are coming bigger and bigger,
but think about the 14" and 15" screen laptop users. Chances are they are
going to have to scroll sideways to read your page, and guess what...they
won't. They will leave the page rather than deal with the hassle.

With this said, though you can probably make your pages work at their
current width in FF and thus on MACs, since you are already redesigning
and redoing much of the page anyway, I would suggest that you also change
the width of your page to either 760 pixels wide or at most the 984
pixels and change your layout to fit that width. The people that view the
page will thank you.

As you redesign, you should also read this: Understanding background
padding in a Publisher web (aka white space) :
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/01/07/80563.aspx
Until we figure out a way to do it with code, the best you can do is
simulate centering your web page in 2007.

OK, now that I have written a small book, I will turn it over to you. I
know I have suggested a lot of work, but if you want a functional web
site, you will have to make changes. Work through what you can, and if
you need more help please post back with the specific problem and the URL
pointing to it, and we will try to help more.

Good luck.

DavidF


"Devra" <Devra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,

I didn't use a normal navigation bar, I just put a box and typed the
page
names inside the box and created links to the other pages and also links
within the pages to either e-mail or take them to another page on the
site.

The website is: www.islandtimerealty.com

Thanks for your help!
Devra

"DavidF" wrote:

Ok...you didn't specify which version of Publisher you were using and
the
"rely on vml..." option was removed in Pub 2007.

Please post the URL of the website, and we might be able to help you
further.

Chances are the navbar is being turned into an image by the browser
that
doesn't work. This kills the links. If you are per chance putting the
navbar
on a master page, that would also mess things up...don't use a master
page
with Publisher web pages.

What you might have to do is build a textual menu and place it on your
site,
perhaps at the bottom that will work in all browsers...will explain
further
after viewing your site.

DavidF

"Devra" <Devra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have Publisher 2007. When I go to "tools" and then "options" and
then
the
"web tab" the box to "allow png....." is already unchecked and there
is
nothing that says anything about "rely on VML....."

The only problems that I am aware of is they can't click on ANY
links,
thus
not being able to navigate through the website. It's as if there are
no
links made, but I have checked on 3 computers (not MAC) that it works
fine
on.

Any other suggestions?

Devra

"DavidF" wrote:

Have them buy a PC. <g>

Getting full cross browser compatibility is a challenge with any
program
you
use to build a web site. In most cases you can work through some of
the
issues with Publisher, but probably not all. All browsers will
simply
will
not view all pages the same all the time. Ultimately if you want to
approach
full cross browser capability, then move to programs such as Web
Expression.

With that said, and assuming that you are using Pub 2003 or 2007
then go
to
tools > options > web tab and uncheck "rely on VML..." and "allow
png...".
Also be sure to compress your images before you upload. Those thee
changes
alone will help and result in most Publisher pages viewing ok in IE
and
FF.

I would also suggest that you download and install FireFox, and test
your
sites with that browser. At least if your site views well with FF
and IE,
you will know that the vast majority of viewers will be ok.

If there are specific pages or parts of pages that are creating
problems,
then post the address of the page(s) and we will try to offer more
help.

DavidF

"Devra" <Devra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have created a website on my Publisher 2007 and have uploaded it
to
the
server. I have no problems with any of the links but anyone with
a MAC
cannot click on the links.

Is there a setting or settings that I need to change in order for
MAC
users
to use my website?

Help, I can't figure this out!













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