Re: My browser shuts down when attempting to view my website

Mike,

I have already purchased Dreamweaver, been to a class but I think it maybe
way over my head. I know I have lots of work ahead of me with this program.
I am curious as to what WebPlus is all about and of course the cost.

"Mike Koewler" wrote:

Lori,

Before you plunk down some serious cash for Dreamweaver, I suggest you
take a look at WebPlus 10 from Serif. It has a host of features, doesn't
require an web coding knowledge (unless you want to insert html or php
fragments) and is pretty much WYSIWYG.

If you have any specific questions, you are welcome to e-mail me.

Mike

LBorchert wrote:
I am in the process of "giving my site a new look" (still using Publisher!)
until I can drown myself in Dreamweaver. And you helping me with the
Publisher issues gives me more time. ( I really do like Publisher) The
information on properly sizing the images will help me alot. The site
already looks much better than what it did and is alot faster for those that
still use dial up. I have a long way to go and lots more to learn. I am
sure I will be checking back with the "Discussion Group" for more tips. My
hat is off to you David. Thanks.

"DavidF" wrote:


Good morning Lori,

Don't worry about upgrading your image editing software. All you need is the
ability to convert images to jpg and gif formats, and to resample and resize
them. Once you figure out a work flow it will go pretty quickly.

A 300 dpi image should only be used for print documents. 72 dpi for the web.
When you insert an image that is say 1600x1200 pixels into your Publisher
page, and then resize the picture frame in Publisher to fit your design, the
original image displays at your custom size, but the actual image is still
the original, and the original size and dimension. The Publisher 2003
compression feature, in theory resamples and resizes, and thus compresses
the original image and makes a copy of the display size. This should also in
theory reduce the file size of your html output, and of course increase the
loading speed of the image.

Another complication is the fact that Publisher produces copies of your
inserted images when you Publish to the Web and produce your html files. It
will sometimes make gif, jp and even png copies of your inserted image, and
then, once again in theory, serve up the best picture depending upon the
browser that the viewer uses. If you Publish to your hard drive and study
your output you will see all these extra pictures. This is partly the reason
that the wmf images were converted to wmz.

I find that if you resize and resample your original pictures in your image
editing program, before you insert them, and then display them at 100%
scale, you get better results. The pictures are usually better quality, less
blurry and you don't need to use the compression feature in Publisher
because the images don't need it. Furthermore, Publisher doesn't make
copies...it uses the original...mostly. I qualify this, because as much as I
have studied how Publisher produces images for the web, I still can't figure
out all the conditions that will result in copies.

So, the workflow I would suggest is to click on/select each image on your
Publisher page > right click > format picture > Size tab. Under Size and
Rotate you will see the height and width of the pictures in pixels, and
under Scale you will see at what % the image is displayed. You should note
the height and width, and then go into your image editing program and resize
your image to those dimensions, save a copy, and switch it out for the other
image in your Publisher page. Then when you look at the scale, it should be
100%. For example from your original Pub file, and the first page, select
the boomtown picture > right click > format picture > Size tab. You will see
that your picture is 192.633 x 130.918 and 23% scale. It also tells you at
the bottom of this dialog that your original is 849 x 577. So, open your
original image in your image editing program and resize/resample the image
to perhaps 193 pixels wide, leaving the aspect ratio locked, which will
resize the height proportionally. Then I am assuming that PS 4.0 has a File
Save For Web feature like Photoshop Elements does. That opens a dialog
that lets you choose between a jpg or a gif at various compressions, which
will give you various final file size and quality, but all at 193 pixels
wide. Choose gif for maps and such to get the smallest, most legible
pictures....choose jpg for images that require more colors. I don't see any
images on your first page that would need to be jpgs...all will probably
look great as gifs, and few colors, and will be smaller in file size, and
thus load the fastest. If PS4.0 doesn't have the Save For Web feature, then
you can also change the dpi when you change the dimensions. (You might
experiment with producing 96dpi images too.) Anyway, approaching this in
this way, I was able to reduce the size of your boomtown image to a 21.5 kb
gif at 32 colors, that looks as good as your image....and loads fast.

There are lots of good sites out there about optimizing your images for the
web...just google for "optimizing images for the web". I even see some links
for doing it in PS. Even the instructions under Help in your image editor
would have good information. I also think that Scantips.com is excellent.
Try this link: http://www.scantips.com/no72dpi.html

Well, that is probably more than you wanted to know. You have to be careful
about asking my advice...I am likely to give it ];>).

DavidF


"LBorchert" <LBorchert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:409CE1D2-2DF9-4375-99A7-0528934FC68B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

David,

When resizing and doing compressions: Do I do the image resize and
converting to 72dpi in my imaging editing program and the compression in
publisher? My photo editing program is PS 4.0 (I know...I need to get an
upgrade ASAP) and I don't see a compression edit. Also went converting to
dpi from a 300 to 72, is there a big difference in the way a photo looks?
Just curious. Any links where I can read about this? Thanks you.

"DavidF" wrote:


Lori,

I'll dance a bit of jig myself. I appreciate you taking the time to work
through this, and the experiments I suggested. You helped solve an issue
with Publisher websites that has frustrated us for some time. So, you are
very welcome.

Another tip. Open your index_files folder in Windows Explorer on your
computer. Then you can look through the file sizes of all the images to
spot
the ones that are very large. One example is a map in jpg format that is
1.5
megs! Do you realize that this picture alone takes about 6 to 7 minutes
to
load with a dial-up connection? Convert it to a 72 dpi, gif at around 30%
compression, and it will look better, and you will probably reduce the
size
down to less than 115 kb, as just one example. Also be sure to size the
image in the third party program to the size you want to see on your
page...and then scale it to 100%, and you will get the best quality
image.

Good luck.

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:643F5952-C62A-4671-B128-E4185A072148@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I made sure all my images were in
jpeg
or
gifs and guess what! NO MORE CRASHES in IE6. I never knew before your
post
that I could view how my images were saved (Graphic Manager). I made
sure
I
rated your response, David. I am smilin' right now and dancing a
happy
little jig. ~ Lori

BTW-Next on the agenda is resizing. I did on a few and it makes a lot
of
difference. : )

"LBorchert" wrote:


David,

I will work on the suggestions today and get back with you on the
results.
I thought I had my images compressed, apparently I messed up. Thanks
again.

Lori


"DavidF" wrote:


Lori,

I did some follow-up this morning. While studying the HTML output
from
your
file, I saw that the wmf files were converted to wmz files during
the
Publish to the Web process of producing the html files. I then found
a
reference where wmz files could crash IE. I also found that the .bmp
file
was converted to emz file, though no reference about it crashing IE.

With this information in hand, I reviewed another file, another
poster
sent
me back in August, who was having the same problem. I had also
posted
his
site on my windows platform host, and once again it loaded ok, but
moving
his site to a windows host wasn't practical...not that it is for
you.
This
time when I looked at his file I noticed he too had used wmf files
extensively.

I would suggest that you convert the wmf files to gif formats,
reinsert
them
into your document, produce new html, and upload it. At some point
you
really should reduce the size of all your images as per my past
post,
but I
would be curious if the conversion of wmf to gif in your Pub file
will
solve
the crashing problem.

DavidF

"DavidF" <Nope@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:u2KyVupOHHA.2140@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Lori,

I published the three pages to my webhost which has a windows
platform,
and it does not crash IE6.

I did find two things on the home page and the Calendar page, that
might
be contributing to, or even cause the pages to crash. One your
home
page,
page 1 or your Pub file, you have a Mapquest map image. Go to
tools >
Graphics Manager, and that file is called worldmap.wmf. You should
only be
using .jpg, .gif, or .png formatted image files in a web site. You
also
have the bookcover of Lynchings...as lynchingw.bmp...convert it
too.

One the third page, the Calendar page, you have another .wmf
image...the
judges gavel.

I am hoping you have an image editing program. You should convert
all
three of these images to either a .jpg or .gif file. I would
recommend
.gif files for maps, icons, etc where there are few colors. I get
smaller
file sizes and faster loading images, and they are more clear than
jpgs.
Use .jpg for more images with lots of details and colors...

While you are at it, you also have two "images" without any
extensions on
page two...the compasses "symbol" on the maps. One is hidden
behind
the
smaller map...use the arrange tool to bring that one to the front.
It
appears that these are .emf files, and they too should be
converted
to
.gifs. And for that matter while you are in the graphics manager,
look for
other images throughout your site that are incorrectly formatted.

As I said, the one thing in common with the home page and the
calendar
page is your use of .wmf images. Change these to .gifs, along with
the
other images I spotted, and see if that makes any difference.

But before you republish, you also need to reduce the size of
those
images. The html output for just those three pages was close to 3
megs...it should be FAR less than that. You can compress them
through
Publisher. Read this reference: Compress graphics file sizes to
create
smaller Publisher Web pages:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx

Though compressing them via Publisher will help, if you want your
images
to look the best they can, then you should size them, and optimize
them
before you insert them, and then scale them at 100%. If you select
the
image > Right click > Format picture and look under the Size tab,
you
will
see the scale. If you don't have an image editor such as Adobe
Photoshop...or Photoshop Elements, you can get a freebie here that
works
well:
http://www.irfanview.com/

Let me know if changing out the pictures to the proper gif or jpg
format
helps with the crashing problem. If not I will keep looking, but
at
.

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