Re: resolution issues
- From: "Rob Giordano \(Crash\)" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:30:10 -0700
Thanks. That's interesting how Pub does that conversion, of course this is
probably do to Pub being primarily a dtp.
"DavidF" <Nope@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uUaA6WyOHHA.2232@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Rob,
|
| You are correct as it turns out. If you read the post to robmog, you can
see
| the results of some testing I did. Bottom line the screen resolution had
| nothing to do with the problem...it is the dpi setting. If you produce a
| website with Pub 2003 at 96 dpi, and view it with a monitor set at 120dpi,
| then the page will be jumbled. And if you produce the html with your
monitor
| set at 120dpi, and view it at 96 dpi, the page is jumbled.
|
| It doesn't solve the problem, but if Publisher 2003 pages are produced at
| 96dpi, at least most people will see them correctly, as I think that most
| monitors are set to 96dpi by default. Unfortunately, I also fear that most
| wide aspect laptops are set at 120dpi by default.
|
| Luckily my Pub 2000 produced pages view just fine in either 120 or 96 dpi.
| Once again it appears that the problem is the different html coding engine
| that MS started using in Pub 2002.
|
| Thanks for you input, as it resulted in me testing the resolution as a
| variable and being able to rule it out. Apparently when I had problems
with
| my laptop several years ago, I must have had the dpi set at 120 and I
| incorrectly assumed that the problem was the different resolution.
|
| You get the gold start today! ;-)
|
| DavidF
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:OKmr9nCOHHA.2236@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > You're spinning your wheels thinking that resolution and screensize is
| > the
| > issue, it's not. You need to be thinking viewport size...and you have no
| > idea what that is for each user!
| >
| > http://www.thepattysite.com/window_sizes1.cfm
| >
| >
| >
| > "robmog" <robmog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > news:1AC51AB8-9338-41CB-B202-B5F08CCA00FE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | Thanks for the info. "vlm" and "png " are unchecked. I'm not sure that
I
| > used
| > | a master page - I tried but it didn't seem to work the way I expected.
| > The
| > | Nigel Henderson home page was basically created by modifying the
| > Publisher
| > | "Capsules" template. After I had done this I tried to make it a master
| > for
| > | subsequent pages but all that happened was the next page reverted to
the
| > | "Capsules" template ( I possibly wasn't appling it correctly.
Subsequent
| > | apges were therefore produced by duplicating the previous page and
| > deleting
| > | and modifying colours and objects as required.
| > |
| > | I was possibly a little over ambitious with my first attempts to
design
| > | sites. The width of the pages on both sites wa squite deliberate. I
was
| > | trying to create a site that looked interesting for the different
| > extremes
| > of
| > | view. In 4:3 mode with a favourites bar down the left, all the
required
| > | information is still visable. In widescreen mode without a side bar
the
| > | information is on the very left of the screen but the background image
| > or
| > | header extends to the right hand edge of the picture. In retrospect
this
| > may
| > | not ahve been the best approach.
| > |
| > | I am now going to try reworking the sites with my laptop set at one
| > | resolution (120dpi) and my 4:3 monitor set at 96, and see if I can
| > create
| > a
| > | compromise that works for both resolutions.
| > |
| > | Has the 120/96 issue been addressed in Publisher 2007? Widescreen
| > displays
| > | are becoming increasingly common on laptops.
| > |
| > | I'll keep you updated with my results.
| > |
| > | "DavidF" wrote:
| > |
| > | > I don't know that I understand what is going on, but I have made
some
| > | > observations.
| > | >
| > | > First I am making some assumptions. I am assuming that you have
opened
| > your
| > | > Publisher document, to the menu. Tools > Options > Web Tab, and
| > uncheck
| > | > "rely on vml...", and "Allow png...". I also assume that you have
run
| > the
| > | > Design Checker under Tools to check for any problems.
| > | >
| > | > Publisher produces html output with absolute positioning, and a
fixed
| > page
| > | > at 96dpi. If you produce your pages at a 120dpi setting, the text is
| > going
| > | > to be a different size, and the page will be "jumbled". As you
| > discovered,
| > | > changing the setting on your laptop to 96dpi before you produce your
| > html,
| > | > solves the problem of the page not showing correctly on your
partners
| > page,
| > | > and other computers with the dpi at 96. Most standard monitors and
| > displays
| > | > are set at a default 96dpi...except for the new widescreen laptops
and
| > wide
| > | > aspect monitors. To design for most, produce your pages at 96dpi.
Not
| > a
| > | > good, universal solution, but a compromise apparently required by
the
| > | > Publisher html engine limitations.
| > | >
| > | > The second issue is the overall width of your pages. Your main site
is
| > 1680
| > | > pixels wide, which requires horizontal scrolling...not a good
| > thing...and
| > | > just happens to be the width of your default screen resolution. If
you
| > look
| > | > at this link:
| > | > http://www.nigelhenderson.com/index_files/image342.gif
| > | > You will see part of your background image(s), and it is 1680 pixels
| > wide.
| > | > If you look at:
| > | > http://www.hendersonlightingdesign.com/index_files/image3121.jpg
| > | > It is 1695x940 which also cause a page that is too wide. These
| > observations
| > | > seem to indicate that your overall page width is a result of your
| > screen
| > | > resolution...the wide aspect ratio. Once again, unless you are
| > inserting
| > | > extra large images in the background to begin with, or perhaps using
a
| > | > master page, this seems to imply that you will need to change the
| > resolution
| > | > on your laptop to 800x600, 1152x864 or some other 1.3:1 ratio...or
in
| > other
| > | > words the 4:3 ratio instead of the 1.6:1 wide aspect ratio. Check
the
| > | > different resolution options available to you on your laptop, and
| > choose
| > one
| > | > with the 1.3:1 ratio, set the dpi to 96, and then open your
Publisher
| > | > document, edit it as necessary, and try producing your site again. I
| > am
| > | > assuming that your Publisher page is setup as the standard 800 pixel
| > size,
| > | > which will show on your publisher page as 760 pixels wide..or 7.92
| > inches if
| > | > you aren't using the pixel ruler. Please post it to your test page
| > when
| > you
| > | > are done...I will be curious to see how it looks compared to your
| > regular
| > | > page.
| > | >
| > | > If the pages produced with the screen resolution set at a 1.3:1
ratio,
| > and
| > | > 96dpi produce a page that works, then you have a solution, albeit
not
| > a
| > very
| > | > satisfactory one. I would assume that part of the reason you bought
a
| > wide
| > | > aspect laptop is to use the wide aspect screen. Switching back and
| > forth
| > is
| > | > not very handy, but hopefully your site will be fairly static, and
you
| > won't
| > | > have to do this that often. But if we have figured out a workaround
| > solution
| > | > for this issue, then at least we have identified the issues, and
| > perhaps
| > the
| > | > powers that be at Microsoft can come up with a better solution. So,
I
| > do
| > | > appreciate you spending some time on this. Let me know when you get
| > the
| > test
| > | > site posted. Thanks.
| > | >
| > | > DavidF
| > | >
| > | > "robmog" <robmog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > news:F90E4995-AED9-439A-A357-84448BBBD132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > >A lot of this may be down to my not really planning the website in
| > any
| > | > >great
| > | > > detail. I started playing around with Publisher because I had it
| > installed
| > | > > and before I knew it I had a website. However there does appear to
| > be
| > a
| > | > > conflict between widescreen design and 4:3, and dpi seems to be a
| > major
| > | > > factor.
| > | > > When I built the site my laptop was set at 1680x1050 and 120dpi. I
| > | > > basicaly
| > | > > designed a page, previewed it with IE6 and then made adjustments
to
| > | > > achieve
| > | > > the required result. The published result displayed fine on my
| > laptop
| > when
| > | > > veiwed in IE6 and the latest versions of Firefox and Opera.
However,
| > when
| > | > > viewed on some other computers, particularly through firefox and
|> opera
| > and
| > | > > safari the text became jumbled. This happened on both my partners
| > laptop
| > | > > (1024x768 96dpi) and on screenshots from other browsers at www.
| > | > > screenshots.org
| > | > >
| > | > > At your suggestion I reset my laptop to 96 dpi and when I viewed
the
| > pages
| > | > > online I now also experienced the same jummbling of text. I then
| > checked
| > | > > the
| > | > > page settings in Publisher and these were set at 800x600. With the
| > dpi
| > | > > still
| > | > > set at 96 but making no other changes to the publisher files I
| > republished
| > | > > the site to the web. This solved the problem both on my partners
| > laptop
| > | > > and
| > | > > on the screenshots from other browsers. With my laptop still set
at
| > 96,
| > | > > Opera
| > | > > displayed the pages correctly. Both IE6 and Firefox displayed the
| > pages
| > | > > without error but put a large white border along the bottom and
| > right
| > hand
| > | > > side.
| > | > >
| > | > > Of course when I set my laptop back to 120 dpi I was now
| > experiencing
| > the
| > | > > same problems that the other computers suffered before, ie jumbled
| > up
| > | > > text.
| > | > >
| > | > > I do not have a 4:3 machine that can be set at 120dpi so I can't
| > confirm
| > | > > it,
| > | > > but it appears that if you design a site at 120dpi it has problems
| > when
| > | > > veiwed at 96, and if you create it at 96 then it has problems when
| > viewed
| > | > > at
| > | > > 120 ( at least on a wide screen). I will carry out some more tests
| > at
| > | > > other
| > | > > resulutions and see what happens.
| > | > >
| > | > > I don't know which browsers you have but the original site(120dpi)
| > can
| > be
| > | > > viewed at www.nigelhenderson.com, and the republished
version(96dpi)
| > can
| > | > > be
| > | > > found at www.test.rchenderson.co.uk if you want to see the
| > differences
| > for
| > | > > yourself.
| > | > >
| > | > > Interestingly I have another simpler site
| > www.hendersonlightingdesign.com
| > | > > which was designed at 120 widescreen and although there are
| > diferences
| > | > > when
| > | > > viewed on other browsers and resolutions, these are small and
don't
| > really
| > | > > effect the overall usage of the site.
| > | > >
| > | > > Hope some of this helps. Let me know if you need me to try
anything
| > else
| > | > > and
| > | > > I'll keep you updated on my tests.
| > | > >
| > | > > "DavidF" wrote:
| > | > >
| > | > >> Romob,
| > | > >>
| > | > >> I have a favor to ask. Would you answer a few questions, and try
a
| > test
| > | > >> or
| > | > >> two and report back? With the increase use of wide aspect ratio
| > screens,
| > | > >> we
| > | > >> need to figure out why the Publisher HTML output is so different,
| > and
| > I
| > | > >> don't have a wide aspect screen to test.
| > | > >>
| > | > >> What is the DPI setting for your laptop screen at 1680x1050? Is
it
| > 96
| > dpi
| > | > >> or
| > | > >> perhaps 120? Did you see if changing this setting had any impact
on
| > how
| > | > >> your
| > | > >> html output looked?
| > | > >>
| > | > >> How do you have the Publisher document set up? Go to File > Page
| > Setup >
| > | > >> Layout. Under Page Size are you using the Standard (800 X 600)
| > setting,
| > | > >> or a
| > | > >> custom setting...and if so, what is that custom setting?
| > | > >>
| > | > >> Would you please try producing your Publisher HTML output at
| > 800x600,
| > and
| > | > >> perhaps 1152x864 or some other setting you can use on your laptop
| > that
| > | > >> gives
| > | > >> you the 1.33:1 ratio? How does the output vary from your
1680x1050
| > | > >> setting?
| > | > >>
| > | > >> Save the output of each test you do for the short term. I may
have
| > some
| > | > >> follow up questions.
| > | > >>
| > | > >> Thanks.
| > | > >>
| > | > >> DavidF
| > | > >>
| > | > >> "robmog" <robmog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > >> news:BB58D316-B619-488B-8941-A421C5ADBBE2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > >> > In order to compensate for designing on a widescreen display I
| > | > >> > positioned
| > | > >> > everything so that it was still visible when veiwed 4:3, and
even
| > | > >> > allowed
| > | > >> > for
| > | > >> > a "favourites" menu to be open on the left side of the browser.
| > This
| > | > >> > left
| > | > >> > quite a large unused area on the right hand side when viewed
| > | > >> > widescreen.
| > | > >> > Presumably the best solution would be to set both my screens to
| > 800x600
| > | > >> > and
| > | > >> > actually do the design work on the 4:3 screen
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> >> In addition to what Mike and Rob said, Publisher sites when
| > produced
| > | > >> >> on
| > | > >> >> wide
| > | > >> >> aspect ratio laptops can look strange. One thing that has
helped
| > in
| > | > >> >> some
| > | > >> >> cases: Right click your desktop > Properties > Settings >
| > Advanced
| > >
| > | > >> >> and
| > | > >> >> change the font size to a 96 dpi setting. I would guess that
you
| > have
| > | > >> >> this
| > | > >> >> set at 120 dpi, and you may find the text size too small for
| > normal
| > | > >> >> viewing,
| > | > >> >> but try it for the short term. Then open your Publisher file
and
| > | > >> >> produce
| > | > >> >> new
| > | > >> >> html files and test those.
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >> DavidF
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >> "robmog" <robmog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > >> >> news:B1F46443-65E2-4EC9-B6E9-30F6117AB33B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > >> >> > What is the best resolution setting for building publisher
web
| > | > >> >> > sites. I
| > | > >> >> > have
| > | > >> >> > been designing mine on my laptop which is a widescreen
running
| > at
| > | > >> >> > 1680x1050.
| > | > >> >> > I have also been previewing them on my 4:3 extended desktop
| > monitor
| > | > >> >> > running
| > | > >> >> > at 1280x1024. They all look fine in both formats when viewed
| > via
| > | > >> >> > IE6,
| > | > >> >> > Opera9
| > | > >> >> > and firefox. However if I view them in the same browsers on
my
| > | > >> >> > partners
| > | > >> >> > laptop which has a maximium resolution of 1024 x 768 some of
| > the
| > | > >> >> > pages
| > | > >> >> > fall
| > | > >> >> > apart completely. I am guessing that this is a resolution
| > problem
| > | > >> >> > but
| > | > >> >> > oddly
| > | > >> >> > if I set my 4:3 monitor to 1024 x 768 the pages all look
fine.
| > It is
| > | > >> >> > somewhat
| > | > >> >> > frustrating as I now have no idea what my site looks like to
| > the
| > | > >> >> > majority
| > | > >> >> > of
| > | > >> >> > people. (www.nigelhenderson.com if anybody would like to
take
| > a
| > look
| > | > >> >> > and
| > | > >> >> > report back.)
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >> >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
|
|
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