Re: Why is web design so damned complicated?

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Actually you are dead wrong. I'm primarily a photographer & graphics
designer and have had no problems learning the rules of the road when it
comes to working with FP, DW, PS, XARA, EW, EGD and a host of other
programs you may need when designing for the web (and dtp as well). There
are plenty of tutes and real books around...try some you might enjoy it.





"smerf" <smerf@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| You must be a programmer....a sad, frustrated little coder that has let
| deadlines and micro managers suck all the fun out of your job.
|
| But, it's programmers like that that have gotten use farther and farther
| away from the concept that PCs and software should make life easier - not
| add yet another thing we must master.
|
| Lazy programmers and managers that worship the deadline more than the
| customer - they are the reason that software sucks.
|
| --
| Smerf
| "Why don't pet food companies make mouse flavored cat food?"
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:OZDfBnhHHHA.1240@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >
| >
| > And it must work in flawlessly every browser ever invented or to be
| > invented, and have the ability to run on diesel, petrol, electric, or
| > polyunsaturated ghee.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > news:457EE2DF.30005@xxxxxxxxxxx
| > | Rob,
| > |
| > | >> I'd also like it to train my dog to pickup his own damn poop. <<
| > |
| > | Couldn't this be added as javascript to the site - in an automatically
| > | created calendar that also includes a routine to fix dinner, do the
| > | dishes and wash the clothes? I don't want my program to become
| > bloatware!
| > |
| > | Mike
| > |
| > |
| > | Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > |
| > | > And I'd like to be able to work in vector & raster image editing,
have
| > it
| > | > automatically resize, optimize and rename the file, and
automatically
| > file a
| > | > copyright and then place it in my web design. I'd also like it to
| > train
| > my
| > | > dog to pickup his own damn poop.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > news:33aaa$457dafdb$d844eab4$11203@xxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | Why stop here? Why not a Add in DTP capabilities, so I can select
| > the
| > | > | images, articles and clipart I want, as well as the number of
pages,
| > | > | then press a key and the pages are finished. It also needs an
image
| > | > | editor - one that I don't need to know the difference between R,
G,
| > B,
| > | > | C, M, Y and K. Why I should need to know a thing about levels, dot
| > gain,
| > | > | contract, transparency. Put the image on the page and make it look
| > | > | perfect. And make the resolution is perfect so it looks great and
| > loads
| > | > | immediately.
| > | > | Let's not forget about sound and movies. I should be able to
insert
| > a
| > CD
| > | > | or tape into the computer, hit a different key and the file is not
| > only
| > | > | created, but all the noise is removed and the code added so a
| > visitor
| > | > | doesn't have to worry about anything but sitting back and
listening.
| > | > |
| > | > | The code it creates needs be be such that it works on IE, Mozilla,
| > | > | Opera, Safari, Avant and all other browsers, plus is 100 percent
| > with
| > | > | screen readers. It also needs a method to make sure my site in
| > ranked
| > | > | first in every search engine.
| > | > |
| > | > | That should take care of most of my needs.
| > | > |
| > | > | Oh, and it should be either a free download, preferably under 1
meg
| > so
| > | > | it doesn't take me any time, or a free CD on a magazine cover.
| > | > |
| > | > | Mike
| > | > |
| > | > | smerf wrote:
| > | > | > Besides the obvious fact that the web is run by a mish-mash
of
| > | > patches
| > | > | > that make it do things it was never intended to do in the first
| > place,
| > | > why
| > | > | > is the design and deployment of simple websites so damned
| > difficult?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > If Santa come out of his drunken stupor while you're around,
| > please
| > tell
| > | > him
| > | > | > that I want the following.......
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I'd like a website designer that.....
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - has a widgets panel full of things like calendars, header,
| > column
| > and
| > | > | > footer widgets, scrolling text boxes, bread crumb trail widgets,
| > | > navigation
| > | > | > widgets, real time date/time widgets, rss feed widgets, a google
| > adsense
| > | > | > widget, rotating ad/image widgets, email form widgets, search
| > widgets
| > | > (both
| > | > | > site and web), those neat little rounded corner panels in a
widget
| > and
| > | > lots
| > | > | > of 3rd party companies ready to sell me thousands of more
widgets.
| > You
| > | > | > should be able to drag and drop columns and widgets on a web
page
| > canvas
| > | > | > just like you did with controls on a form in VB.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - I want to be able to see things display in real time on my
| > canvas
| > the
| > | > way
| > | > | > they will display in the browser ( you know, like the way a word
| > doc
| > | > | > displays in real time as you edit the word document) When I
drop
| > a
| > | > widget
| > | > | > in my web page canvas, I want to see it like the surfers will
see
| > it -
| > | > none
| > | > | > of that placeholder crap.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - I want to be ale to edit anything that I drop on the canvas
| > right
| > | > where
| > | > | > it is and see my changes in real time on the canvas the way the
| > end
| > | > surfer
| > | > | > will see it.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - I want to be able to click, drag and select one or more
objects
| > on
| > | > the
| > | > | > canvas and give them a name - automatically grouping them and
| > treating
| > | > them
| > | > | > as a single entity for CSS editing.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - I want CSS editing of my widgets and such to be dumbed down
and
| > | > simple.
| > | > | > Give me a properties list. Do software developers really expect
| > me
| > to
| > | > know
| > | > | > all of the properties that could be editable on a particular
| > object?
| > | > I'm
| > | > | > doing good just knowing where I am most days.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - Along with those property listings, for each one I need drop
| > downs or
| > | > | > color pallets or whatever will help me choose valid values for
the
| > | > property.
| > | > | > Remember, my goal is to publish good looking, standards based
web
| > | > pages -
| > | > | > not to master CSS, XML, XHTML or whatever other God-forsaken
| > alphabetic
| > | > hell
| > | > | > some group proposes next.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - I want to be able to click to add another main level page or
| > page
| > | > beneath
| > | > | > the one I am currently working on. When that happens, I expect
| > all
| > of
| > | > my
| > | > | > navigation (site wide) to be undated automatically for me and I
| > expect
| > | > the
| > | > | > new page to have things like the header, footer and navigation
| > already
| > | > added
| > | > | > when I see it on my canvas the first time.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > - In short, I want a real WISYWIG web page development tool
that
| > lets
| > | > me
| > | > | > concentrate on what I do best - content development and visual
| > design.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I don't get paid to know all of the inner workings of the
web,
| > CSS,
| > | > ASP,
| > | > | > ASP.Net, PHP or any of that crap. I get paid to deliver great
| > looking,
| > | > | > functional sites on time. And, right now, every tool that I
have
| > tried
| > | > | > actually works against me in that goal.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > So, sober up Santa! I need a website designer for website
| > | > | > designers....not for programmers.
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
|
|


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