Re: Pages not uploading

First, yes the site now works OK. Could there be a time lag before the sites
works - perhaps dictated by the provider?
Anyway its there now. :-)

Thanks a lot for the additional information - like the rest I will print it
off and one day publish it all as a manual for Publisher 2003!

I will get down to trying it later today ( ie it's 0819hrs GMT +1 here) at
the same time I start tidying up some of the clumsy layout.

I'll let you know (and your fans who read this forum)

Graham

"DavidF" wrote:

Graham,

Yes, contrary to what people think, I do sleep 3 or 4 hours a day...and Mary
is correct, I am frequently up by 3:00...and increasingly stupid after
supper ;-)

When I first clicked on www.the-inscribers.co.uk I got nothing, but now it
appears to load ok. Correct?

If so, then I have some new information that you can use, that I learned
while working through this problem with you. You can modify a wizard built
navbar to work in your circumstances...at least a vertical navbar. I
wouldn't try to change the horizontal navbar you have built, because wizard
built, horizontal navbars used on the bottom or your page will be converted
into an image in FireFox, and won't work.

Here are the steps:
1. Insert Design Gallery Object > Navigation Bars.
2. Choose the navbar you want to use which will bring up a Create New
Navigation Bar dialog.
3. Under insert options, select Insert on every page. Under Automatic
update, check "update this navigation bar..." OK. Voila, you should have a
new navbar on each page. Move and position where you want it.
4. On the left of your page you should also see Web Site Options. Under
Navigation bar, choose Vertical only.
5. Now you need to change the links from the default relative links to your
newly discovered absolute links.
6. Select the new navbar, click the wand, and on the left side of the page
under Change Navigation bar, click Add, remove, and reorder links... The
navigation Bar properties dialog box pops up.
7. Select the Home page link > modify link. Under the new dialog box that
pops up, and under Link To: choose Existing File or Web Page. Then under
Look in: choose Browsed pages. Now if your absolute links to your pages
aren't listed, try clicking the drop down arrow beside the address field.
Chances are the links to each of your pages should be there. Or you can just
copy and paste from your code fragment box. Or there is a little icon in the
upper right part of the dialog box that looks to me like a world with a
magnifying glass over it. If you hover your mouse over it, it should say
"Browse the web". Click it, and browse to your home page:
http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/contacts.htm and paste it in the
address. OK. Select each link, for each page, and change it to the absolute
links to your pages. OK

You should now have a functioning vertical navbar. You can't test it in Web
Preview because when you click on any of the links, it will take you to the
web. So, delete your old files on your web host, and publish new files, and
upload them.

I apologize about not figuring this out right away. I use Pub 2000 for my
sites, and actually import a navbar and everything works a bit different
than in Pub 2003. The only time I use Pub 2003 is to help people here, and
for testing purposes. I knew that you couldn't use the relative links when
you frame a site, which is the default way Publisher produces a navbar
through the wizard. What I hadn't worked out before, was how to change those
relative links to absolute links. But I guess we still would have had to go
through the discovery process of how to write the absolute links anyway, and
you would have still wanted to create the horizontal textual navbar on the
bottom, so that it worked in FireFox. So, I guess all's well, that ends
well...and next time, I can save everybody some time.

Hoping this all works for you...

DavidF

"GeePee" <GeePee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Do the images now load on your home page? YES
Do the links work? YES

BUT

When I open www.the-inscribers.co.uk the Home page that loads is the old
page with no images. If I navigate to the (say) contacts page then back
to
the Home page, the new Home page opens with all the changes and images.
Clicking all the links then takes me to any of the pages with the updated
links.
I know I deleted all the old files before changing the htm coding for the
new links (I checked the memory used on the site for uploaded files) so
how
comes the old page is still accessible?

Thanks for all your time and patience. Could not have got here without
you.
regards
Graham

"DavidF" wrote:

Just ignore the .wmz files. Leave them in there.

The reason the index.htm file, your home page, is not loading the graphic
files is because it is looking to the index_files folder for them, and
not
finding them. The problem goes back to why
http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/contacts.htm does work, and
http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/index_files/contacts.htm does
not...and
should...and I am not sure of the answer. The problem is the framing. The
solution????

Here are some guesses. You have uploaded your files to wrong directory.
www.the-innscribers.co.uk
is pointing to wrong directory for www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net . Or
perhaps, because of the framing you can not use the subfolder option in
Publisher.

I guess that what I would do next is do away with the subfolder option in
Publisher, and write the links yet once again. First of all, go to the
folder on your C drive where you directed your HTML output when you
Publish
to the Web. If you look in the index_files folder, you will note that
your
other pages are simply named "contacts.htm" etc. Now, go ahead and delete
the index.htm file and the index_files folder.

Open your Publisher document, go to tools > options > web tab and uncheck
"organize supporting files in a folder". In fact for now, uncheck
everything
under Saving. OK. Now Publish to the Web to that folder on your C drive.
Go
back to that folder and study the contents. Note that no longer do you
have
a subfolder...all the files, graphics etc are all together. More
importantly
note that your contacts page is now named "index_contacts.htm" instead of
"contacts.htm". Note your other pages and all your images are now
preceded
with "index_" Ok, now you can delete all those files and go back to your
Publisher file. Double click the code fragment box that contains your
textual navbar, and change each link to reflect the new file names. In
other
words, instead of
http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/contacts.htm write
http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/index_contacts.htm
In fact, you can just copy "index_"and paste it in front of contacts.htm,
and whatwedo.htm, innscribing.htm, etc....each of pages, EXCEPT for the
index.htm file. Copy and paste that edited code fragment box to each of
your
pages. Publish to the Web to the folder on your C drive. Delete the
index.htm file and the index_files folder from your webspace, and upload
the
new files. Cross your fingers...and hope this works. Do the images now
load
on your home page? Do the links work?

DavidF


"GeePee" <GeePee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David
Thanks for the very detailed instructions. Since receiving them, I
have
done the following, in no particular order.
. Deleted all the files uploaded to the web - checked both sites to
ensure
that only the 'Parent directory' is shown. OK.
. Emptied the recycle bin and temp internet files.
. Noted on uploading that one or two of the graphics were a bit large,
so
compressed all of them. The site now only a total of 1.7Mb & uploads
in
100
seconds.
. I have created a new folder in 'C' into which Publisher can create
the
two sub-folders 'index_files' and index.htm - I have then got rid of
all
previous related files.

. I have followed your instructions and used the 'Links' code for the
publication - carefully typed the code into the Publisher Web Code
Fragment
dialog box then copied and pasted into each of the other five pages.

. Uploaded the site unsuccessfully.....

. Went back to the Publisher files and rechecked everything then tried
inserting the 'index_files' code to see if that made a difference - it
did
not.

. Have now taken that out and also tried your vertical coding - some of
that
worked on the Contacts page but for simplicity, I have also deleted
that.
. The current position is that if I upload the site, I can now access
and
read all of the pages - links are working OK.:-))

I seem to have made a lot of headway!!

There will be some tidying up to do as some of the formatting is a bit
crude, but as long as I know the site is there I can take my time.
The only thing that has to be done immediately is to find out why the
graphics are not loading on the Home page?
Also, could you tell me why a few of the files created by Publisher are
.wmz
files, which I think are Windows Media files! If I open them there is
nothing
there apart from the Win Media screen....Can I delete them? Or rather
should
I delete them?
Could not have done this without you - very much appreciated!

"DavidF" wrote:

Hi Graham,

Color me embarrassed. I couldn't understand why you used the .aspx
extension, until I went back to David Bartosik's article about
building
textual menus. I must admit, that it has been a couple years since I
actually read the article, and I had forgotten that David used this in
his
example. Sorry about that. That's the bad news.

The good news is that you are getting there.

First, change each ".aspx" to ".htm" .
Second, make sure you spell things correctly. You misspelled "lesley"
for
the contacts page and "innscribing". A hint - once you get one path
typed
correctly, copy and paste, and then just edit the parts that
change...less
errors and faster that way
Third, change "default.aspx" to "index.htm" - that is your home page.


With those changes you have:

<a href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/index.htm";>Home</a> |
<a
href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/contacts.htm";>contacts</a>
|
<a
href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/whatwedo.htm";>whatwedo</a>
|
<a
href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/innscribing.htm";>innscribing</a>
|
<a
href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/committee.htm";>committee</a>
|
<a href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/links.htm";>links</a> |

These links work...mostly.

For cosmetics, perhaps you might prefer:

<a href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/index.htm";>Home</a> |
<a
href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/contacts.htm";>Contacts</a>
|
<a href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/whatwedo.htm";>What We
Do<a>
|
<a
href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/innscribing.htm";>Innscribing</a>
|
<a
href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/committee.htm";>Committee</a>
|
<a href="http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/links.htm";>Links</a> |

You can put spaces and upper case in the TEXT part of this code
snippet....just not the URL.

Now for some confusing news. Though the code snippet works, it
shouldn't
;-)
If your site was performing as I would have expected, then you would
have
had to add "index_files" to each path/URL written, except for the home
page
(index.htm). The contacts.htm page should be in the index_files folder
along
with all your images and graphics. And yet, the page and the images
load
when you go to:
http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/contacts.htm

The link should be:
http://www.lesleymjames.talktalk.net/index_files/contacts.htm
and yet that doesn't work.

To review, if you have not changed the defaults within Publisher, when
you
Publish to the Web and produce your HTML output, you get an
"index.htm"
file, which is your home page, and a "index_files" folder, containing
all
your graphics and the other files/pages in your site...contacts.htm,
etc.
This means that if you uploaded the index.htm file and the index_files
folder to your root directory on your host, then the following code
snippet
should be correct:
.

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