Re: Nav Bar Hyperlinks

Thanks David,

File names and most other stuff is not a problem although I am always
learning.

I have got a working site now but Nav Bars creation is not as it seems,
see the bits in appropriate places below.

Please do not waste too much of your time on this as I have done what I
wanted but if you want to go on I am happy to help.
In fact since I wrote much of this msg I have reworked the whole thing
in Pub 2002 and it was much easier and about the same size.
Thanks again.
John G

"DavidF" <Nope@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi John G,

Sorry it took me a while to get back to this.

First of all there were some changes made in the web building
component of Publisher between version 2002 and 2003. I have 97, 2000,
2003 and 2007, but not 2002, so it is hard for me to comment on 2002.
However, David Bartosik has written a couple good articles about the
differences that would be worth reading: Web Publication Changes Made
in Version 2002 of Publisher:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/01/03/81262.aspx
Publisher 2003 - What's new in web design for this version:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/pages/80555.aspx

What you will find in general is that 2003 is better than 2002 in
almost every way for web building, though it is still saddled with
quite a few limitations.

I think that what confused me was our terminology. When you say
"bottom line" for example, I now think you are talking about the
horizontal textual navbar that appears at the bottom of the page. When
I suggested using the hand coded textual navbar that is described in
David Bartosik's article, I was trying to say to use it instead of the
"bottom line" navbar produced by the navbar wizard.

When you say that when you right click either navbars and the
hyperlink option is grayed out, that is by design. If you insert a
hyperlink into an image or within a text box, the right click option
to change the hyperlink is available. However to change any of the
properties of the wizard produced navbars in 2003, you have to do that
from within the wizard...you can't do it manually. You can right click
the navbar and get the option of "Wizard for this object", or you can
select the navbar and click on the little wand that appears below the
navbar. Either will open the Web site options to the left of your
page. You will see Change navigation bar...add, remove, and reorder
links... Click that and the Navigation Bar Properties dialog box
appears, and this is where you modify the links.

If you use the option of both the vertical and bottom navbar, then
they are tied together. Make a change in the hyperlink to one, and it
is generally reflected in the other.

No it is not as far as I can see, nothing short of ungrouping the bottom
navbar and changing their names manually ( usually to the sanme as the
main(vertical) bar works.

This Wizard works as advertised in PUB 2002 so I think I am doing the
correct things.

This is default behavior for wizard produced navbars. The whole idea of
using a wizard is to make a change on one page, and automagically make
the change throughout the document. With this convenience, comes
limitations, and thus your inability to get the horizontal bottom
navbar to be independent of the vertical navbar.

Yes I agree it is the idea but it does not work.
If you UNgroup the bottom bar and change the text it is properly
repeated to all the other BOTTOM bars but not to the vertical one????
Nor are changes in the vertical bar reflected to the bottom bar

Now for some reason when you use both the vertical and the bottom
navbar, the bottom navbar does not work in FireFox. It appears that it
is converted into an image, which kills the hyperlinks. And given your
goal to use different words on the bottom and the vertical navbars,
you can address both issues with the workaround I suggested. No, you
can't do it via the wizard. You have to remove the bottom wizard built
navbar, and insert the hand coded one as described in David's article,
via the insert html code fragment tool.

No I never wanted different words in the bottom I just wanted the
Vertical Bar words properly reflected in the bottom bar.
If you ungroup the bottom bar it is converted properly and works in
Firefox but still is never connected to the top bar which was my
original problem. Does not have this problem in Pub 2002.

You can thus change the words to anything you want, and best of all
the inserted navbar will work in Firefox.

One caveat. Unless you specify a file name for your other pages, Pub
2003 will name them arbitrarily, and it is difficult to write absolute
links. For example if you go to your Travel Albums page, this is the
link:
http://johngriff.com/index_files/page0001.htm

No those links generated by PUB are fine because the referenced pages
are part of the PUB generated site which is only realy an index to
absolute locations that are buried in the Pub pages and all work fine.

While you could use this as your absolute link, it is easier to keep
everything straight if you go to that page in your Publisher document,
Tools
Web Page Options and under Publish to the Web, specify a file name.
In
your case you might call that page "Talbums" or "Travel_Albums" or
"travelalbums"...or whatever works for you. Then when you do Publish
to the web, Publisher will produce a file called "travelalbums.htm"
vs. "page0001.htm", and the link to that page will be
http://johngriff.com/index_files/travelalbums.htm . And of course it
is under the Web Page Options that you change the Page Title...the
words that show in the navbar.

As to ungrouping and grouping the wizard built navbars in order to
make changes, I haven't really experimented with that. In general
though I think that when you ungroup, you also disconnect the navbar
from the wizard, and in general this won't work. If you find out
otherwise, let me know.

Well as I said above the wizard does not seem to work when the bottom
bar is connected or not.

Regards
JohnG

I hope this rather lengthy explanation helps.

DavidF


"John G" <Greentest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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David,
This is a learning exercise and an effort to make my rather scrappy
site better.
Thank you for your detailed efforts which I will try to respond to.

In more experimentation trying to answer each of your points I have
worked out enough to carry on and do what I want to do. I have
answered point by point below.

IMPORTANT This works all DIFFERENT in Pub 2002. Seems to work like I
expected??

Regards John G

"DavidF" <Nope@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi John G,

I am not sure what you mean by "the hyperlinks do not display on
right click...", but I think I can help with the navbar.

When editing the file, if you right click on the navbar or the bottom
line, the hyperlink function at the bottom of the drop box is greyed
out, but if you ungroup the bottom line (against the advice of a
message) then you can make changes to it and display its hyperrlink
and the changes are reflected in all the bottom lines..

Only those bottom lines that are ungrouped will generate links back
to the various pages for Firefox, but work OK for IE
As soon as another page is inserted all the bottom lines and infact
all the navbar elements are grouped as they were when the site is
new.

If the navbars are produced by the navbar wizard, then they are tied
together. Make a change to one, and it is reflected in both. Your
easiest solution is to replace the wizard built horizontal navbar
with a textual navbar that you code yourself, and thereby can use
what ever link words you want. Reference: Code your own textual
navigation menu in Publisher

As I said before changes made to the navbar are not reflected in the
bottom line, only added pages appear but never change. Once ungrouped
changes made in one part of bottom line appear in all bottom lines.
But still there is no change of text in bottom line when change is
made in navbar.
This is a Pub thing not IE or FF. In fact a Pub 2003 and not Pub
2002.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/01/16/81255.aspx

The other advantage to this is the hand coded textual navbar will
work in IE and in FireFox, where usually the horizontal navbar
produced by the wizard does not.

Could easily hand code something but was trying to use the wizard as
a raw begginer would expect.
Have not tried horizontal navbar at all.

Though you probably already know this from reading the newsgroup, I
would also suggest that you go to Tools > Options > Web Tab and
uncheck "Rely on VML..." and "Allow PNG...". This will give you
faster loading pages.

Thats the way it is, VML and PNG are OFF

And while you are there, look under Encoding, and tell me what the
default is set at?? I have messed with mine so many times that I
don't remember what the default was, and in some cases, changing
this encoding can help make Publisher sites more cross browser
compatible.

Encoding is set at Western European (Windows).

One more tip... Right now you are linking to a photo album on
another site, and that is great. If however, you ever decide to post
more images on your Publisher site, then you should consider
importing them, rather than embedding them into the Pub doc. You
will get faster loading, better quality images...

The real active site http://johngriff.com links to several Albums in
other directories on two sites and works just fine but I think I can
reduce the size of the thumbnails embeded in the publisher file to
make it a bit quicker.

DavidF

"John G" <Greentest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Using XP Pub 2003.

Just tried to create a new site with a nav bar on left.
When I add a page it adds to nav bar and also to list of pages at
bottom (Home|Project List|etc.).
It is possible to change the words on the left nav bar but not on
the bottom list.
The hyperlinks do not display on right click either at the left
navbar or at the bottom.
The words can not be changed at the bottom and there do not seem to
be any hperlinks because the bottom words do not link when clicked
after the site is saved and up loaded.
Just a test sight yet http://johngriff.com/tmp/index.htm
Wot am I missing?
--
John G

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