Re: my microsoft publisher website will not publish to domain name

David, I really do appreciate all the help you have given me.

I knew 1&1 would host my site when I had trouble with my old one but being
female I just stubbornly thought I could do it myself!! I will be a really
happy bunny if I get this sorted this week. 1&1 said they would give me full
instructions and make it easy so I will have to put my trust in them. Don't
worry about the way I described how they would help me, that's just me and
that technical stuff again....

I will also download Firefox. My son has been nagging at me to do it for
ages. He thinks it's much better than IE, but he uses a Mac, so he would!

I promise I will let you know how I get on.

As for your...I misspoke again. Thats what you get for being up at 4 in the
morning...get some sleep!!

Thanks again XX

Maureen




"DavidF" wrote:

Du'oh...I misspoke...again. You won't have to change links in your Publisher
file for 1&1...just upload your Publisher HTML files to their servers.

DavidF

"DavidF" <Nope@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Maureen,

Good work. Many free webhosting services will frame your site and if you
want your website to be successful, you will move it to a paid service.
You gotta spend some money to make some money. I think moving your site to
1&1 is a good decision.

I am a little concerned about how you described what they are going to do.
You will need to produce new Publisher HTML files to upload to 1&1. If you
sign up with 1&1 to host your site, then they will give you instructions
on how and where to upload your Publisher HTML files. You will change the
links within your Publisher document and produce new files for 1&1, and
delete the files on blueyonder. You are going to be a much happier person,
once you figure out how to do that. 1&1 is one of the largest webhosts
there is from what I know, and they will have an excellent support section
with good instructions, FAQs, etc. and will offer you webstats and many
more services and features. Here is a link to their FAQ section:
http://faq.1and1.com/ Go there and do some reading before you sign up.

The money will be well spent...do it.

FireFox...no, the way you upload your site files to your webhost has
nothing to do with framing. However, I would suggest that you eventually
download and install FireFox. While I still use IE as my primary browser,
I test my website to see how it looks in FireFox. Building your site so it
has as much cross browser capability as possible will also be good for
business. Publisher websites have limited cross browser support, but that
is another subject...

As to the time I start work, let me clarify that I do not work for
Microsoft. I am just a Publisher user like you that helps out here...and I
don't sleep much. I am usually up by 4:00 AM....

Good luck...

DavidF

"Maureen" <Maureen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David

I've had a look at the source on both names, not all together sure what
I'm
looking for so I will take your word that one is framed.

Blueyonder are hosting my website at the moment so I put your idea to
them.
Unfortunately they only provide a very basic package and cannot change
the
way they do it, even if I pay. So I have spoken to 1&1 who I have my
domain
name registered with and for a small fee each month they will upgrade my
package with them and host my site. They will take the site as it is and
through Linux will redirect it to their web space...unframed. They will
give
me a new user name and password and it will make it easier when I need to
change anything on the web site.
I was trying to avoid paying someone else to do it for me but Hey! for £5
per month it may be worth it and save me any more hassle. It's worth
thinking
about.

One other thing, (let me test your tech knowledge). I was interested in
what
you said about using Firefox as a browser. Would it work if I downloaded
Firefox and then re-published the web site through that instead of IE?

Maureen

P.S. Was the time on your reply really 6.37a.m. What time do you guys
start
work there?







"DavidF" wrote:

Maureen,

Lets take a step back. As long as your site is being framed, you are
probably going to have problems, not just with Publisher. As I
understand
it, the webots do not like framed sites, so that alone will inhibit
search
engines from finding and including your site. So the primary issue is
finding a way to avoid framing. You should work toward the use of your
domain name. So lets clarify a few things.

Go to www.mjhenshall.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk and open that site, and look
at
the code. In IE go to View > Source and NotePad will open, and you will
see
a long page of code that is produced by Publisher. Now do the same thing
with www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk and you won't see that Publisher
code...you
will see that the site is framed. So tell me, who is hosting your domain
name files? If it is blueyonder, ask them if they can host your domain
name
HTML files without framing them, just like they do the pwp site. Is this
a
free hosting service provided by blueyonder? Will they provide you with
a
non-framed site if you pay for the hosting service?

Answer those questions, and we will move on from there.

DavidF

"Maureen" <Maureen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Wow David, you have just blown me away with all that! As a mere novice
at
this technical stuff it will take me some time to digest and
understand it
all...but I will try.

Are you saying that if I delete the Publisher navbar and insert my own
bar
using hyperlinks, that will probably work? Or, I'm wondering if it
would
be
easier to just give people my web space address and not bother with
the
domain name. I know that's not quite so professional but as it's
already
there and if it works, it will save me alot of frustration.

Obviously one of my aims is to get my site picked up by search
engines. Do
you think the search engines would accept my pwp address? I have
registered
the domain name with Google and other directories and Google have
crawled
my
old site, but that one was never good enough to get picked up. When I
have
talked to other professional web site builders they have also talked
about
my
site being in frames, but I have never really understood what that
meant
and
they always blamed Publisher...and of course they would prefer me to
pay
them
to do the job.

I find it hard to believe that Microsoft produces such a brilliant
product
as Publisher, that makes it so easy to design your own web site and
then
you
find it so hard to get it onto the web. But then they have got helpful
people
like you to help us out!

Thanks again David

Maureen



"DavidF" wrote:

Maureen,

Your site works just fine at www.mjhenshall.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk, and
your
home page works at the other URL of www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk, but
the
other pages don't...because the Publisher HTML files are being
framed.
Framing doesn't work with Publisher, partly because the navbar uses
relative
links. Interestingly, if you view your site with FireFox, your site
works...just not with IE, which is probably why your friend with the
Apple
was able to get it to work...they probably weren't using IE. This is
where I
start reaching the limit of my knowledge, but as I understand it, the
Publisher coding engine produces "smarter" code for IE, but also
produces
"dumber" code for other browsers. In this case the "dumber" code
works in
FireFox, but the "smarter" code doesn't work in IE because of the
framing.
How's that for a high tech answer? :-)

You are probably going to have to either contact your webhost and
explain
to
them that the navbar uses relative links, and Publisher pages will
not
work
when framed...and do they have a solution...or do away with your
navbar
and
build one with absolute links.

Perhaps this will help explain the issue to your host. When you go to
www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk your home page, the index.htm file loads.
But
if
you go to View > Source (in IE), then you will see the code for the
page,
and can see the framing. In fact you are looking at
http://www.mjhenshall.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/";>http://devonviewcaravans.co.uk/index.htm
Now if you hover your mouse over your navbar button for your Caravans
page,
and look in the status bar, you will see that if you click that
button it
will try to take you to "Page320.htm". Publisher put that page into
your
"index_files" folder, so when you click that link, it looks to
http://devonviewcaravans.co.uk/index_files/Page320.htm for your
Caravans
page and you end up with a blank page. Why? Because that is not where
your
"index_files" folder is located. It is located here:
http://www.mjhenshall.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index_files/Page320.htm .
If
you
load your home page in FireFox and hover over the button for your
Caravan
page, and you look in your status bar, that is the absolute link you
will
see, instead of just Page320.htm...the relative link. (By the way,
you
can
download FireFox for free to test this if you want)

I know all that is clear as mud, and is not much more clear to me,
but
the
issue is the way your site is framed, and Publisher pages don't work
in a
frame...in IE, and I am not sure of the solution, if your host can't
help.
As I said, I would guess that you could do away with the wizard built
navbar, and the relative links, and build one with out the wizard
using
absolute links.

Or you might also try not using the subfolder option. In Publisher go
to
Tools > Options > Web tab, and untick "Organize supporting files in a
folder". Then Publish to the Web, new HTML files, delete your old
files
on
your host, and upload your new...and try that. Now instead of
producing
just
an index.htm file plus a index_files folder, all your supporting
graphics
and other pages will be at the same level as the index.htm file. I
would
try
this option before I did away with the relative links, and after
talking
to
your host about the framing issue.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but hopefully this will lead to a
solution.
And like everybody else, congrats on a good looking site ;-)

DavidF

"Maureen" <Maureen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi David

Sorry about the confusion, I thought you were David Bartosik....
all
this
technical stuff gets to you in the end !

My web space address is www.mjhenshall.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk and my
domain
name is www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk.

Thanks for the advice about printing David's instructions and I
appreciate
Mary's comments. I'll have a go at 'copy and paste' to start with
and
see
how
I get on.
.

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