Re: floating check boxes on web pages

From: K. (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 02/23/04 

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:25:12 -0800

I will redo the two form pages tomorrow or possibly
Wednesday and then send you the entire file and would
welcome your input and suggestions. As for the SP1
patch, I realize that is what it is called, but when I
searched under that name on the MS downloads site
yesterday, I come up with several hits. I finally found
the patch this morning and am downloading it. Where do
you want me to send the Publisher file for you to review -
- which, by the way, I really appreciate.

>-----Original Message-----
>Might re-read my post, the patch IS sp1.
>
>I'd suggest sending me your file for me to make some
suggestions after I
>review it. I noticed on the testing page if the mouse is
over the test for
>success paragraph the whole text box pops up in a
tooltip. I have only seen
>one other customer do that and at the moment I don't
recall what they did
>wrong to get that. I just remember that I fixed it after
I got the file. I'd
>have to review your file to recall what that issue was.
>
>--
>David Bartosik - MS MVP
>for Publisher help:
>www.davidbartosik.com
>enter to win Pub 2003:
>www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx
>
>"K." <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>news:1409701c3f9ba$9920c200$a101280a@phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for the mini tour! I will throughly read the
>> first four articles on your web site (2002) so I can
come
>> up to speed. I am a novice at this.
>>
>> Although I sound like I am freaking out, I am more
>> frustrated than anything. I knew Publisher from a
>> publications point of view, but my boss wanted a
website
>> (now!), so he asked me to put something together using
>> what software we had. I think I did okay with the
first
>> version I did. The form control check boxes looked
fine
>> on my web page preview, but I downloaded a patch so
that
>> my version of Publisher 2002 had the export command.
>> That seemed to change things the check boxes, etc.
>>
>> I will be happy to download the SP1 patch, but when I
>> search on MS downloads, I come up with multiple
listings,
>> so if you could tell me the date of the patch, whether
it
>> is a Publisher-only patch or an Office patch or other
>> specifics, I would appreciate that.
>>
>> I will redo the two form pages, since the text ordering
>> as previously described in my other complaints is not
>> ordered correctly. If none of this corrects the
problem,
>> short of becoming prematurely bald through hair
plucking,
>> I will send you either all 14 pages of the publisher
>> website file or just the two form control pages -- the
>> only ones I am having problems with -- whichever you
>> prefer. And though I don't drink, I will buy YOU a
beer
>> if you can help me out.
>>
>> You can check out the website as it currently exists
>> (uploaded with all the checkbox problems) at
>> www.diamondbacktechnology.com There are still glitches
>> throughout, but the form pages are pages 10 and 11 (not
>> numbered) On the home page, upper right, click
on "Ask a
>> question" for page 10 and "Request a quote" for page
11.
>> The e-mail form I want to receive these in is still not
>> working, but that's a problem for another day.
>>
>> Another long e-mail. Sorry, I write like I talk --too
>> much information.
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >well first off you really seem to be freaking out over
>> the whole filter web
>> >page option.
>> >
>> >you should read the first 4 articles on my sites 2002
>> page to educate
>> >yourself on this fully.
>> >
>> >I'll give you a short nickel tour version now to try
an
>> calm you down.
>> >
>> >The release of 2002 introduced a drastic change in how
>> it did web sites. The
>> >File, Save as web page operation generated html files
>> that were a blend of
>> >complex xml and xhtml. There was so much code in the
web
>> page that a simple
>> >minimum textual page could be 400 kb. (compared to
maybe
>> 20 kb in version
>> >2000) All the extra code was mainly there to allow
2002
>> to open these html
>> >files for modification. MS called this "round-
tripping",
>> whereby instead of
>> >having a .pub file and making modifications to
the .pub
>> file (as in all
>> >previous versions) and then generating new html files
>> after every change you
>> >now no longer used a .pub file. You directly opened
and
>> modified the html
>> >files and keep using the same ones.
>> >The size of such a web page and it's impact vastly
>> outweighed the
>> >resourcefulness of this and MS wrote a patch to stop
>> this behavior and
>> >return to the design of a .pub file and therefore
strip
>> most of the bulky
>> >code from the html pages.
>> >This patch (now known as SP1) converts File, Save as
web
>> to File, Export as
>> >web.
>> >This is to distinguish it from the previous design
which
>> they retained, if
>> >you know where to look (keep reading).
>> >They then termed this as "filtered" web pages.
>> >So File, Export as web generates one time use html
files
>> written in a
>> >simpler xhtml format, that, though still a larger file
>> size than it's
>> >younger sister, is at least usable online.
>> >The other design they then termed as "rich-output". It
>> is still available if
>> >you desire elephant size files rather than cat size
>> files (ideally they'd be
>> >mouse size). Simply do not use Export as, instead use
>> Save as and then
>> >select 'web page' from the file type menu. (this
>> paragraph applies to
>> >version 2003 as well though 'export' now
>> reads 'publish').
>> >Unfortunately it was discovered after the patch
release
>> that it didn't
>> >properly code the form controls. However the work-
around
>> for this issue is
>> >better than the alternative (of using MB gobbling web
>> pages).
>> >
>> >Since the release of the patch I have not encountered
a
>> single customer that
>> >had this form control issue, be unsuccessful with the
>> work-around. That said
>> >my only option to offer you is that you send me your
pub
>> file for my review.
>> >Then grab a beer an chill awhile :-)
>> >
>> >--
>> >David Bartosik - MS MVP
>> >for Publisher help:
>> >www.davidbartosik.com
>> >enter to win Pub 2003:
>> >www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx
>> >
>> >>
>> >> First of all, thank you for responding so quickly.
I
>> >> read your response and checked the information on
your
>> >> website. Here is my dilemma.
>> >>
>> >> I don't mind starting over to reorder the placement
on
>> >> the form controls to correct the problem with the
form
>> >> controls, but I cannot resolve the issue with the
>> >> floating text boxes. I was aware of the
group/ungroup
>> >> issue, but even ungrouping them doesn't resolve the
>> check
>> >> box problem. The text associated with the check box
>> >> appears where it should, but the check boxes
>> >> appear "everywhere." I have heard that it may have
>> >> something to do with exporting in the web filtered
>> >> format. Do you know anything about this? Now that I
>> have
>> >> done that (exported into filtered), I cannot export
it
>> >> into any other format as that is the only option I
am
>> >> given each time I try to export. Is that
correctable?
>> >> Even though I have the saved publisher file, the web
>> >> filtered format is the only choice available.
>> >>
>> >> Secondly, I have downloaded every patch and service
>> pack
>> >> available for Windows XP and Publisher. I am still
>> faced
>> >> with the same two problems: floating check boxes
and
>> >> export into web filtered format only. Do I need to
>> start
>> >> over with both "form" pages in the website? And to
>> >> correct the export problem (more selections than web
>> >> filtered), do I need to redo the entire website in a
>> >> separate publisher document. As it is, I cannot
export
>> as
>> >> anything but the "web page filtered."
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for the long post. Just want to be clear.
Thanks
>> >> for any input!
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

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