Re: Tracking two parter And the word "SHOULD"

From: Gary L. Chefetz \(MVP\) ("Gary)
Date: 11/18/04 

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:33:46 -0500

John:

With these settings, you should have the daily entry grid in the Time***
view. Keep in mind that projects created when the server had different
settings will continue to adhere to their prior settings until you republish
the assignments. In all cases where actual work has been posted to a task
assignment, the assignment tracking method will not change to reflect the
new settings and will continue track using the tracking method first
initiated. 

-- 
Gary L. Chefetz, MVP
"We wrote the books on Project Server"
http://www.msprojectexperts.com
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"John Sitka" <johnsitka@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uBilS7WzEHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Woo Hoo,
>  Gary thanks,
>
> Here are my settings.
>
> Specify the default method for reporting progress on tasks
> = Actual work done and work remaining: Resources report the actual work
done
> and the work remaining to be done on each task
>
> Lock down defaults
> =   Force project managers to use the progress reporting method specified
> above for all projects.
>
> Time period settings
> = Week starts on: Sunday
>
> For projects that require resources to specify hours worked during each
time
> period, you can specify the default time periods that are displayed in
> resources' timesheets.
> Timesheets should span a period that is:
> = Weekly
>
> Number of weeks spanned: =  2
>
> = Resources should report their hours worked every day
>
> Maximum number of hours that can be entered per day for a single task
(enter
> '0' for no limit):
> = 0
>
> For current tasks, include tasks that start up to  days from the current
> date.  10
>
>
> With this set up the only resource editable fields in "Tasks" at the
moment
> when set to Gantt Chart are...
> Actual Work and Remaining Work available
> In Time*** view Act. Work are the rows that make up the grid. None of
> these are editable.
>
> The users are using Tasks / Gantt Chart view and entering Actuals in the
> left hand table
> The Gantt chart mis represents their tasks as it dosen't seem to show
> splits.
> I have not been able to get the left hand task table to publish start and
> restart
> I told them to make sure they sort by ID to get the proper order of
> operations.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gary L. Chefetz (MVP)" <gary.nospam at chefetz.org> wrote in message
> news:uvns0jWzEHA.3840@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > John:
> >
> > Those three selections contribute to crafting different reporting
> > solutions.
> > Based on your answers to my questions, you should select the first,
> > "Resources should report their hours every day." This causes the grid to
> > display and accept work in daily display/collection cells. Selecting
> > Resources should report their total hours worked for a week sets the
grid
> > to
> > accept work in weekly buckets while the third selection is used when you
> > want to collect time in non-weekly and non-daily time periods.
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Gary L. Chefetz, MVP
> > "We wrote the books on Project Server"
> > http://www.msprojectexperts.com
> >
> > -
> > "John Sitka" <johnsitka@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uCqp6ePzEHA.3416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> Is weekly estimation and entry accurate enough?
> >> A. NO
> >>
> >> Do you believe that there's a benefit to daily collection?
> >> A. YES after one day of trial we identified huge advantages.
> >>
> >>
> >> To Start with I need direct confirmation that
> >>
> >> >> Resources should report their hours every day
> >> >> Resources should report their total hours for a week
> >> >> Resources should report their total hours worked during the entire
> >> >> time
> >> >> period set up above
> >>
> >> Are all functionaly equivalent because they aren't definite.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> READ NO FURTHER UNLESS FOCUS ON THE ABOVE CAN BE ASSURED
> >>
> >> long winded version.......
> >>
> >> Real world is they want at least daily.
> >>
> >> There are esentially 2X3 = 6 combinations,
> >> each on of the 3 combination has a component of "SHOULD"
> >>
> >> "SHOULD" is pretty vague.
> >>
> >> Without additional understanding the only conclusion I can draw is,
> >> they aren't defined.
> >> So I first need someone to confirm that there are really only
> >> 2  functional options. The ones I listed below as A./ or B./,
> >> I don't want to use %.work.
> >>
> >> Put another way,
> >>
> >> A confirmation that the other 3 settings containing the SHOULD modifier
> >> are all capable of the same thing.
> >>
> >> Then I need to know how the 2 (or 6) settings differ from each other
> >> in terms of
> >> handling incomplete tasks and the ensuing splits on a tracking update
> >> handling tasks that started early
> >> handling tasks that started late
> >> handling of actuals booked against the above.
> >>
> >> obviously not all the above need a novel
> >> just a direct comment. So I can know where to look.
> >>
> >> the above listed handlings may start from a discussion of this.
> >> >> I'm trying to learn of the role of protected
> >> >> actuals, how they affect copying tasks,
> >> >> Actual Start/ Actual Finish, status date etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Gary L. Chefetz (MVP)" <gary.nospam at chefetz.org> wrote in message
> >> news:%239h%23nqOzEHA.3836@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> > John:
> >> >
> >> > It's a matter of what best fits your organization's requirements. Is
> >> > weekly
> >> > estimation and entry accurate enough? Do you believe that there's a
> >> > benefit
> >> > to daily collection? Have you asked your stakeholders these
questions?
> >> >
> >> > -- 
> >> >
> >> > Gary L. Chefetz, MVP
> >> > "We wrote the books on Project Server"
> >> > http://www.msprojectexperts.com
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > "John Sitka" <johnsitka@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:exE7JmLzEHA.908@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Part 1.
> >> >>
> >> >> So far the only definitative answer I can find concerning the
> > difference
> >> >> between
> >> >>
> >> >> Default reporting method
> >> >>
> >> >> A./ Actual work done and work remaining
> >> >>
> >> >> vs.
> >> >>
> >> >> B./ Hours of work done per day or per week.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1.) Gantt chart vs. Grid on the right hand side.
> >> >> 2.) B./ is compatable with Managed periods.
> >> >>
> >> >> What other differences exist? I'm trying to learn of the role of
> >> >> protected
> >> >> actuals, how they affect coping tasks,
> >> >> Actual Start/ Actual Finish, status date etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Part2
> >> >>
> >> >> Given A./ and B./ above
> >> >>
> >> >> and using non managed periods
> >> >>
> >> >> we are faced with setting
> >> >> Resources should report their hours every day
> >> >> Resources should report their total hours for a week
> >> >> Resources should report their total hours worked during the entire
> >> >> time
> >> >> perio set ip above
> >> >>
> >> >> I can kind of imagine how this setting would interact with B./ as
the
> >> >> Grid
> >> >> may present itself with cells
> >> >> by day/week/or period, how would it effect A./
> >> >>
> >> >> And what is the meaning of the word "SHOULD"  as in what if they
don't
> >> >> how
> >> >> long is a day? when is a day?
> >> >> We are now multinational.
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