Re: Is WM5 worth trying on a Dell Axim x50v?

My point with that was that no applications are installed in that 64MB. On
a 2003 machine, you could easily install a half dozen apps in the default
location, and chew up all your available memory. In WM5, you can't (AFAIK).
I realize (and tried to make it clear) that the OS eats up a good chunk of
that 64MB. But in general, the behaviour is much more like a "real"
computer with regards to memory handling.

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Clint
"David {MVP}" <dhettel@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> My experience is you do NOT have the "precious 64MB available" or anything
> like it available. That if you are lucky you may have something like 30MB
> available and more likely 20MB to 25MB.
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> "Clint" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> I'll second Clinton's recommendation, but say that I haven't spent a lot
>> of time in WM5 yet. I also upgraded once, then stepped back for awhile
>> before hitting it again. My reason for upgrading wasn't necessarily the
>> Persistant Storage, but a semi-related item. It's the way that WM5
>> handles memory as a whole. In 2003, there's 3 types of memory; RAM, ROM
>> (aka Built In Storage), and removable (SD, CF, etc). If you do default
>> software installations, you'll clutter up your precious RAM, of which you
>> only have 64MB, and about 25 to 30 MB usable after the OS and everything
>> else is loaded. Then you have the ever popular memory slider, where you
>> try to juggle the memory allocations. You can chose to install
>> applications and data to the BIS (Built In Storage) or the SD cards, but
>> it's the exception to every installation.
>>
>> With WM5, there are the same 3 memory types, but the handling of them is
>> shuffled around. RAM is used strictly for executing applications, much
>> like the RAM on your computer. ROM is used similar to a computer's HD;
>> for storing data and applications. Now, you still only have 128MB of
>> storage, so I usually install the apps there, and put the data on my SD
>> card. When I get around to picking up a CF card, I'll probably use that
>> for media (music, videos) simply because it's easier to get larger CF
>> memory for cheap that SD memory (I've got a 1GB card). The default
>> installation for new apps will be to ROM, and you can chose to install it
>> to your removable storage if you wish.
>>
>> But in WM5, there is no option to install apps to RAM. There's also no
>> memory slider (since you can't install to RAM). So you have your
>> precious 64MB available for applications, all the time. Now, one thing
>> some people notice is that WM5 uses more RAM for the OS itself. That's a
>> tradeoff I'm willing to accept.
>>
>> One thing to note is that AFAIK, you MUST use ActiveSync 4.x for WM5
>> sychronization. And in 4.x, you lose the ability to sync over the
>> network. You can still sync via Bluetooth or IR, but IMHO, that's a
>> kludge. I fought with my BT sync the other night, till my battery died.
>> Sometimes it would work, sometimes not. The WiFi sync in AS 3.8 seemed
>> to be much more robust. But MS says its a "feature" to have the WiFi sync
>> removed, so I doubt we'll see it back anytime soon.
>>
>> I also still have issues of slowdown, for whatever reason. There's talk
>> about the filesys.exe taking over the system every once in a while, which
>> is causing this on other people's machines. If it doesn't get any worse,
>> I'll probably stick it out, and hope for the next ROM upgrade from Dell
>> to fix things. You might also want to check out www.aximsite.com, if you
>> haven't already. Lot's of users in the same boat as you, and they're
>> familiar with your machine.
>> --
>> Clint
>> "Clinton Fitch [MVP-Mobile Devices]"
>> <management@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23xV4D%23uFGHA.3200@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> I have a x50v that I have upgraded to WM5. The upgrade was a bit of a
>>> challenge and at one point I ended up going back to WM2003. I stuck
>>> with it though and improved my upgrade strategy and I've been happy
>>> since. You can find out that upgrade strategy here:
>>> http://groups.google.de/group/microsoft.public.pocketpc/browse_thread/thread/2002c23f72ec45e4/0615e89d6adde25d?lnk=st&q=%22pocket+plus%22+problem+%22windows+mobile+5.0%22&rnum=1&hl=de#0615e89d6adde25d
>>>
>>> Overall I've been happy with the upgrade and have actually found very
>>> few applications that don't work well on WM5. The biggest problems seem
>>> to be around PIM applications. I use Pocket Informant for example and I
>>> had to get the free upgrade to make it happy.
>>>
>>> As to if it is a waste of time, that is tough to say. If you are happy
>>> with WM2003 there is no reason to upgrade frankly. If however you want
>>> things like Persistent Storage (which was my key driver) then it is
>>> worth it. I've got an editorial on that at
>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com/editorials/112005/wm5sold/default.asp.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> "Tony" <tony7_146879_5878@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:42l7s7F1joubpU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Ihave heard varying reports on the success of using Windows Mobile 5 on
>>>> the
>>>> Axim x50v. I think generally they hve been more negative than
>>>> positive. Is
>>>> there any reason to upgrade to WM5, or is it just not worth the hassle?
>>>> Ihave also heard that a lot of software won't run in WM5.
>>>>
>>>> My system runs happily at present and works a treat, and also all the
>>>> software I use runs well in 2003SE.
>>>>
>>>> Would I be wasting my time thinking about trying to upgrade to WM5 at
>>>> the
>>>> moment?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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