Re: Is WM5 worth trying on a Dell Axim x50v?

I still don't buy the security thing. All MS had to do (IMHO) is build in
some smarts to all the network-nazi admins (please excuse the politically
incorrect phrase) to lock down AS with a policy, and leave it alone for the
rest of us. Taking features away from everyone (again, IMHO) is a big
no-no. I write software for a living, and we have to have a darn good
reason to remove a feature that a sizeable portion of our user base has for
the gain of others.

I mean really, what have they accomplished? Have they prevented users from
accessing the network with their PDA's? No. Have they kept users from
syncing remotely? No, you still have Bluetooth, IR, and WiFi with Exchange
Server. So what, precisely, are they protecting us against?

Have you seen an actual document that said what they intended to accomplish?
I've heard the song and dance, but never more of a reason that "enterprise
users wanted it". I'd really like to see the full story. C'mon, you're an
MVP. Can't you send out a message with your secret decoder ring, asking for
it back? :)

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Clint
"Clinton Fitch [MVP-Mobile Devices]"
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> Clint,
>
> You are correct in that you have to use AS4.x with WM5.
>
> The WiFi sync was removed for security reasons. I hope it comes back too
> but I'm not real confident it will.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Clinton Fitch [MVP-Mobile Devices]
> Principle
> Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!
> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>
>
> "Clint" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:epX7sJvFGHA.1396@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> I'll second Clinton's recommendation, but say that I haven't spent a lot
>> of time in WM5 yet. I also upgraded once, then stepped back for awhile
>> before hitting it again. My reason for upgrading wasn't necessarily the
>> Persistant Storage, but a semi-related item. It's the way that WM5
>> handles memory as a whole. In 2003, there's 3 types of memory; RAM, ROM
>> (aka Built In Storage), and removable (SD, CF, etc). If you do default
>> software installations, you'll clutter up your precious RAM, of which you
>> only have 64MB, and about 25 to 30 MB usable after the OS and everything
>> else is loaded. Then you have the ever popular memory slider, where you
>> try to juggle the memory allocations. You can chose to install
>> applications and data to the BIS (Built In Storage) or the SD cards, but
>> it's the exception to every installation.
>>
>> With WM5, there are the same 3 memory types, but the handling of them is
>> shuffled around. RAM is used strictly for executing applications, much
>> like the RAM on your computer. ROM is used similar to a computer's HD;
>> for storing data and applications. Now, you still only have 128MB of
>> storage, so I usually install the apps there, and put the data on my SD
>> card. When I get around to picking up a CF card, I'll probably use that
>> for media (music, videos) simply because it's easier to get larger CF
>> memory for cheap that SD memory (I've got a 1GB card). The default
>> installation for new apps will be to ROM, and you can chose to install it
>> to your removable storage if you wish.
>>
>> But in WM5, there is no option to install apps to RAM. There's also no
>> memory slider (since you can't install to RAM). So you have your
>> precious 64MB available for applications, all the time. Now, one thing
>> some people notice is that WM5 uses more RAM for the OS itself. That's a
>> tradeoff I'm willing to accept.
>>
>> One thing to note is that AFAIK, you MUST use ActiveSync 4.x for WM5
>> sychronization. And in 4.x, you lose the ability to sync over the
>> network. You can still sync via Bluetooth or IR, but IMHO, that's a
>> kludge. I fought with my BT sync the other night, till my battery died.
>> Sometimes it would work, sometimes not. The WiFi sync in AS 3.8 seemed
>> to be much more robust. But MS says its a "feature" to have the WiFi sync
>> removed, so I doubt we'll see it back anytime soon.
>>
>> I also still have issues of slowdown, for whatever reason. There's talk
>> about the filesys.exe taking over the system every once in a while, which
>> is causing this on other people's machines. If it doesn't get any worse,
>> I'll probably stick it out, and hope for the next ROM upgrade from Dell
>> to fix things. You might also want to check out www.aximsite.com, if you
>> haven't already. Lot's of users in the same boat as you, and they're
>> familiar with your machine.
>> --
>> Clint
>> "Clinton Fitch [MVP-Mobile Devices]"
>> <management@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23xV4D%23uFGHA.3200@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> I have a x50v that I have upgraded to WM5. The upgrade was a bit of a
>>> challenge and at one point I ended up going back to WM2003. I stuck
>>> with it though and improved my upgrade strategy and I've been happy
>>> since. You can find out that upgrade strategy here:
>>> http://groups.google.de/group/microsoft.public.pocketpc/browse_thread/thread/2002c23f72ec45e4/0615e89d6adde25d?lnk=st&q=%22pocket+plus%22+problem+%22windows+mobile+5.0%22&rnum=1&hl=de#0615e89d6adde25d
>>>
>>> Overall I've been happy with the upgrade and have actually found very
>>> few applications that don't work well on WM5. The biggest problems seem
>>> to be around PIM applications. I use Pocket Informant for example and I
>>> had to get the free upgrade to make it happy.
>>>
>>> As to if it is a waste of time, that is tough to say. If you are happy
>>> with WM2003 there is no reason to upgrade frankly. If however you want
>>> things like Persistent Storage (which was my key driver) then it is
>>> worth it. I've got an editorial on that at
>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com/editorials/112005/wm5sold/default.asp.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Clinton Fitch [MVP-Mobile Devices]
>>> Principle
>>> Clinton Fitch (Dot) Com!
>>> http://www.clintonfitch.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tony" <tony7_146879_5878@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:42l7s7F1joubpU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Ihave heard varying reports on the success of using Windows Mobile 5 on
>>>> the
>>>> Axim x50v. I think generally they hve been more negative than
>>>> positive. Is
>>>> there any reason to upgrade to WM5, or is it just not worth the hassle?
>>>> Ihave also heard that a lot of software won't run in WM5.
>>>>
>>>> My system runs happily at present and works a treat, and also all the
>>>> software I use runs well in 2003SE.
>>>>
>>>> Would I be wasting my time thinking about trying to upgrade to WM5 at
>>>> the
>>>> moment?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>


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