Re: 802.11g and Pocket PCs

Helio,
thanks for your explanation why a .11g with a PDA should not
slow down everybody else.
>That was a radical answer.
I think David's rant deserved a radical answer.
David's post made me really angry. He totally sided with the
powers that be, where on a PPC support site he should consider
the PPC user's needs also.
I mean, ianpower wasn't asking about doing something illegal
(as far as I can see). Maybe the IT people of his university
just don't care. (I remember when my daughter wanted to do PPP
dial-up with a Mac at the University of Kansas. They had the whole
thing on a disk for PCs, but nothing for Macs. But a least they
gave us a list of utility programs needed to use it with a Mac.
So they didn't 'officially' support it, but you where welcome to try.)

None of the people who replied to ianpower's post answered his
question. I DO have the Linksys WCF54G card, but I did not reply
because I only connect to .11b sites. At home I have a WAP11 and
on the road I connect to freespots in NY (parks and libraries mainly)
and occasionally to t-mobile (Starbucks, Borders) and Wayport (B&N,
McDonalds). None of these require .11g. I might have latched on to
somebody's .11g only network, because on Manhattan on any given
steetcorner you end up getting a half a dozen unprotected networks
on the "wireless networks:" screen. But freeloading on somebody's
network is not my game.
I can understand ianpower's concern: who want's to be stuck with a
~$90 Dollar card, that's not suitable for the job. Sorry I can't
help you, ian. Maybe you find a dealer, who'll let you return the card
if it doesn't work for your situation. It's a nice card tho, I like
the utility that comes with it. I don't have the Ambicom .11g card,
but all my other AmbiCom cards work fine (CF modem, .11b CF Wifi card
and a FM radio card - cute)
Have a nice day, y'all.
Hope you have a better day, David.
Klaus Ernst, NYC
"Helio Diamant - MS-MVP/Mobile Devices" <helio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message news:erhtQOHrFHA.3424@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> That was a radical answer.
>
> I don't like to adopt radicalism in any field of my life. It gets me stuck
> on the past and prevents me to advance in life.
>
> Luckily chipmakers know how to sync and buffer internal communications
> within a device bus with external communications with a network. Otherwise
> we would never get to where we are today. Pluging a 802.11b card to a
> 802.11g network today brings immediately the whole network to 802.11b
> compliant speeds, even before the card began doing something. This is why
> networks are being closed to b cards. The card in question will prevent
this
> effect from happening, and probably the effect of the PPC bus on the
network
> will be nill due to the sync and buffer work done within the card. BTW,
> linksys is already doing it very successfully.
>
> --
> Helio Diamant
> MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
> www.pocketpcfreak.com
>
> "David {MVP}" <dhettel@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23nYOSi9qFHA.3604@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Perhaps that is because the university has found that "B" network cards
> > slow the university network down, do to the frequent need to wait for
the
> > "B" device to catch up? So IMHO it does seem relevant, if you add a "G"
> > device that can NOT function at "G" speeds, what will this do to the
> > university's network? As I recall when "G" cards first came out they
where
> > all cardbus cards, because it was claimed at the time a 16 bit data bus
> > could not work at these speeds. To the best of my knowledge all PCMCIA
"G"
> > cards are still card bus cards. So you add a device to a network that is
> > not yours, and is not approved, and it has a detrimental effect on the
> > network, what are the consequences?
> >
> > Sorry I don't buy that my wants are more important than someone else's
> > needs. I want to access your network, and because I don't care about
your
> > network, anything that allows me to do this is OK? That's wrong. Sure
> > perhaps one will not make much of a difference, but at some point the
> > cumulative effect will begin to make a difference. If I choose to launch
a
> > software program that slows a university network down, I am call a
hacker.
> > If I simply obtain a DHCP address from a network, that I do not have
> > permission to access, I may go to jail. Chances are with this device,
you
> > are increasing network traffic, thereby slowing down the network, and
also
> > obtaining a DHCP address for a device you are not authorized to use on
the
> > network. That could look real good on your resume, couldn't it?
> >
> > --
> > David {MVP}
> > Microsoft Mobile Devices
> > Mobile AntiVirus Researchers Association
> >
> > Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the mutual
> > benefit of all of us...
> > The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> > The MARA Program - http://www.mobileav.org/index.html
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights...
> >
> >
> > Spelling and grammar errors left in for those that need a little joy in
> > their life by correcting me.
> >
> > "Sooner Al [MVP]" <SoonerAl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:%23AdWJB9qFHA.3788@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> The real point is that apparently the original posters university
network
> >> only accepts 802.11g connections...:-)
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Al Jarvi (MS-MVP Windows Networking)
> >>
> >> Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the
mutual
> >> benefit of all of us...
> >> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights...
> >>
> >>
> >> "David {MVP}" <dhettel@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:OAuZi48qFHA.528@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Hmm.....
> >>> Ok So I'll ask, what does a "G" card mean, when we are talking about
> >>> Pocket PCs? I do not believe any current Pocket PC has the ability to
> >>> move data from a card to a memory storage device at anything
approaching
> >>> "G" speeds. Let alone the hyper speeds that many "G" cards claim now.
> >>>
> >>> So the card fires up and tells the network it can handle "G" speeds,
and
> >>> then tells the network to stop sending, because it needs to write to
the
> >>> PocketPC memory. I have yet to hear of a Pocket PC that is as fast as
a
> >>> PC based 802.11b connection. So if a PocketPC can't keep up with an
> >>> 802.11b connection, I have a hard time seeing it connect at 802.11g
> >>> speeds. Does adding a "G" card to a Pocket PC, gain any performance,
or
> >>> does it actually slow down more than with a "B" card, do to more
> >>> frequent need to say I'm not ready? As the normal DSL or cable user
does
> >>> not have a Internet connection speed that will tax a 802.11b
connection,
> >>> or even really take advantage of the speed the 802.11b connection
> >>> offers, what is the real point?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David {MVP}
> >>> Microsoft Mobile Devices
> >>> Mobile AntiVirus Researchers Association
> >>>
> >>> Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the
mutual
> >>> benefit of all of us...
> >>> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >>> The MARA Program - http://www.mobileav.org/index.html
> >>>
> >>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >>> rights...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Spelling and grammar errors left in for those that need a little joy
in
> >>> their life by correcting me.
> >>>
> >>> "Helio Diamant - MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<helio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote in message news:uFDmIn6qFHA.2212@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Soon there will be also a "short" G card by Spectec. The product is
at
> >>>> last development levels and should be released before the end of the
> >>>> year.
> >>>>
> >>>> It will have WPA support, as their B card has.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Helio Diamant
> >>>> MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
> >>>> www.pocketpcfreak.com
> >>>>
> >>>> "Sooner Al [MVP]" <SoonerAl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>> news:%23$mlWJoqFHA.1096@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> The comment I have is the Linksys card does *NOT* have WPA support.
> >>>>> There is a new card from Ambicom that does have WPA support.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.ambicom.com/products/wave2net/wl54-cf.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also believe Sony is/has come out with a CF form factor 802.11g
> >>>>> card.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note that I have not used any of these cards...so as
always...YMMV...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Al Jarvi (MS-MVP Windows Networking)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the
> >>>>> mutual benefit of all of us...
> >>>>> The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >>>>> rights...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <ianpower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:1125062939.167440.162870@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> I'm surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about the
> >>>>>> 802.11g
> >>>>>> CF card offered by Linksys.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can anyone confirm that they are successfully using this card with
a
> >>>>>> PPC? The University that I am attending has blocked 802.11b
> >>>>>> connections
> >>>>>> (hence I can't use my PPC's built in WiFi - which is 802.11b - to
> >>>>>> connect). I think the reasoning for this has something to do with
the
> >>>>>> fact that a single 802.11b connection can slow the whole network
> >>>>>> down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In any event, I haven't been able to use my PPC on campus, but have
> >>>>>> been waiting for an SD or CF card that supports 802.11g. Now that
> >>>>>> it's
> >>>>>> here I'm thinking about giving it a try -- even though it's not
> >>>>>> "officially" supported by the university.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But it's not cheap, and I'd like to make sure it's going to work
> >>>>>> before
> >>>>>> I shell out the cash.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any comments?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>


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