Re: Gmail. Outlook 2003 and IMAP

Marts wrote:

I'm experimenting with Gmail, using it as an IMAP link for Outlook 2003.

I got it working, but Outlook does weird things.

Firstly, after I configured a new email account in OL and pointed it to Gmail,
it created another set of folders under the Mail. There are the existing Local
folders including Inbox, Deleted Items, Sent, etc. Then there are a set of
folders under a new one called Gmail.

That's how IMAP works. After all, you want your e-mail client to
reflect the folders that are up on the server, not to merge them into
other similarly named folders for other accounts. Otherwise, you won't
know what items in the Sent Items folder is for what account.

Outlook aggregates all POP and Exchange accounts under one message store
(.pst file) . Each HTTP account gets its own message store. Each IMAP
account gets its own message store. And each message store is displayed
separately in the folders view. Any time you use the File -> Open menu
to open a .pst file, it shows as a separate message store. You are
creating separate .pst files for each HTTP and IMAP account.

POP got aggregated under one message store because POP has no clue or
support for folders. POP only understands the concept of a mailbox.
All items delivered by POP are from this mailbox. No folders, just a
mailbox. When using the webmail client to your account, the Inbox is
tied to the mailbox.

Now, when I got Outlook to poll for mail it retrieved a heap of messages dating
back some time. Not sure where they came from as I had deleted all message in
Gmail before I started.

The joy of using Gmail. There's pseudo deletion in Gmail and then there
is real deletion. Probably you have have to purge your All Mail folder.
When configuring POP access in Gmail (in the server-side settings in
your account), you can specify to provide access to all items in your
mailbox or just those that are received after enabling POP access. You
don't get that option with their IMAP setup.

I then deleted these messages. Or rather, I tried to. All Outlook does is to
cross a line through them. I cannot get them to actually delete from Outlook. It
was only when I logged into Gmail webmail that they disappeared.

That's how IMAP works. Your e-mail client is staying in sync with what
is up on the mail server. You haven't yet actually deleted the message
up on the mail server. You only made it *eligible* for deletion in your
e-mail client (which you could undo). You either wait until the next
mail poll when your e-mail client synchronizes up with the mail server
(so items *marked* for deletion in your e-mail client will also get
deleted up on the server) or you use the Purge option in your e-mail
client to force an update on the mail server rather than wait for the
next mail poll.

I then tried creating and replicating my existing message base but I couldn't
get it to work. I tried creating labels in Gmail but they didn't replicate in
Outlook.

What does "couldn't get it to work" mean?
What does "replicating my existing message base" mean?

I don't do labels in Gmail. I access Gmail primarily through my local
e-mail client, not by using their webmail client where is the only place
you can define Gmail's own labels.

All I am trying to do is to configure Outlook so that when I log onto my desktop
or onto my laptop that all message bases are the same. ie. I send a message from
the laptop that message also appears in the Send folder on the desktop computer.

Any tips on how to manage Gmail and IMAP with Outlook would be appreciated

You're used to how POP works. IMAP works differently.

Your multiple hosts are polling the SAME account. With IMAP, each one
will sync to reflect what is currently on the mail server. You'll have
to explain just WHAT is different in one e-mail client (on your desktop)
using IMAP to your Gmail account versus what is different in the other
e-mail client (on your laptop).
.

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