Re: What does "you dont have permission to delete these items" of junk mail mean?

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From: George Hester (hesterloli_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 03/20/04 

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:46:24 -0500

It's because when you delete form the Deleted Items folder you are actually removing all information from the meassage store about those emails. When you delete from some other folder and the email goes to the deleted items folder the message store still contains information about the message. It is that which makes the deleted items folder so very much different then other folders. I have not explained "why" you cannot "... delete these particular messages from the inbox but NOT from the deleted items folder" just pointing out the difference between the deleted items folders and the others. You cannot remove an item "permanently" from any other folder unless you hold down the Shift key I believe. No shift key necessary when deleting from the deleted items folder. 

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George Hester
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"Licensed to Quill" <fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in message news:Os$7UTPDEHA.2800@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I thought that was the error message I received telling me that it couldnt
> process the rule but I must admit I had never tried deleting them
> specifically from the inbox.  ?
> 
> 
> "Hal Hostetler [MVP DTS]" <hhh@kvoa.com> wrote in message
> news:OBsttS8CEHA.688@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I didn't try moving messages to a different folder first, I just deleted
> > them from the Inbox as they arrived.  Does it work from the Inbox?
> >
> > Hal
> > -- 
> > Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- hhh@kvoa.com
> > Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-DTS -- WA7BGX
> > http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
> > KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ.   NBC   NBC-IN
> > Got Blues? - www.badnewsbluesband.com
> >
> >
> > "Licensed to Quill" <fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in message
> > news:eAH9LweCEHA.1228@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Hal / Diane
> > >
> > > That doesnt work: I  arragned to put junk mail in a new 'ITEMS TO BE
> > > DELETED'  folder and
> > > permanently delete them and when one came in I was told that I dont
> > > havepermission to permanently delete them (I am an/the only
> administrator
> > in
> > > Windows 2000)
> > >
> > > L2Q
> > >
> > > "Hal Hostetler [MVP DTS]" <hhh@kvoa.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%23MRo8iZBEHA.1600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > In my case, Outlook 2000, C/W mode, used with an Exchange Server.  I
> > > created
> > > > a rule to "Permanently Delete" a message with specific words in the
> > > subject
> > > > line, sent myself a message with a different email client using my
> > > personal
> > > > account.  The message was, indeed, permanently deleted; my
> > > > "DumpsterAlwaysOn" setting (which allows deleted item recovery from
> > > folders
> > > > other than the Deleted Items folder) would allow it to be recovered,
> > > > however, it WAS deleted in place (Shift-Delete) from my Inbox,
> bypassing
> > > the
> > > > Deleted Items folder.  Note that this rule doesn't work with earlier
> > > version
> > > > clients (Outlook 97/98) and is a client side rule if used with an
> > Exchange
> > > > Server.
> > > >
> > > > Hal
> > > > -- 
> > > > Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- hhh@kvoa.com
> > > > Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-DTS -- WA7BGX
> > > > http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
> > > > KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ.   NBC   Channel 4
> > > > Got Blues? - www.badnewsbluesband.com
> > > >
> > > > "Licensed to Quill" <fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:%23Z5wza4AEHA.444@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Yes, that was the whole problem which MS's programmers can't seem to
> > to
> > > > > address (or just possibly are being paid NOT to address, -  it cant
> be
> > > > that
> > > > > difficult to get a feature built into the program which doesnt work
> to
> > > > work
> > > > > properly): You CAN set up a rule which deletes junk mail by
> > identifying
> > > > > words in the subject matter and it DOES give you the option of
> > > permanently
> > > > > deleting the message when it reaches the deleted items folder but
> that
> > > > > function has never in the past worked.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder if Hal is now right in saying that suddenly it does work
> and
> > MS
> > > > has
> > > > > never released info on this?
> > > > >
> > > > > I dont care about anyone seeing supposedly confidential info in my
> pst
> > > > file
> > > > > or deleting them therefrom, all I want is something simpler: I want
> > (as
> > > do
> > > > > most other people) my folders NOT to be filled up with obvious junk
> > > mail.
> > > > >
> > > > >  And I have another problem which exacerbates this one which I have
> > > asked
> > > > > about but which no one seemed to know the answer which was that my
> > rules
> > > > (I
> > > > > cant figure out which one or ones) apply themselves to each message
> > and
> > > > > CREATE two or three versions of each piece of junk mail and then
> duly
> > > dump
> > > > > them in my deleted items folder so it is important to have Outlook
> > > > > permanently delete them so that I don't have to see/check that I
> dont
> > > want
> > > > > to buy any prescription medications I don't need or see something
> > which
> > > > had
> > > > > been on Oprah whoeversheis
> > > > >
> > > > > Licensed to Quill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Michael Bednarek" <mb@dev.nul.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ci3g40972aoe95ks7ofe2abtf3ug69rbrh@4ax.com...
> > > > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 23:11:52 -0500, "Licensed to Quill"
> > > > > > <fountainpen@amexol.net> wrote in
> > microsoft.public.mail.connectivity:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sorry for any confusion I  may have caused: I was being a bit
> > simpler
> > > > > than
> > > > > > >people think
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >All I want to do is set up a rule within outlook to read junk
> mail
> > > that
> > > > > > >comes into the inbox when it is received, delete it,  and then
> have
> > > > > outlook
> > > > > > >automatically delete it (if it sees  AS SEEN ON OPRAH for
> example,
> > or
> > > > > VIAGRA
> > > > > > >etc or MORTGAGE ) from the deleted items folder rather than keep
> it
> > > for
> > > > > you
> > > > > > >to view and then delete manually or by exiting the program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think this can be done directly in VBA, only in CDO. For
> an
> > > > > > example, see <http://www.cdolive.com/deletespammessage.htm>.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OTOH, it should be possible to do it in two steps in VBA: first
> > delete
> > > > > > the item from your Inbox, then from the Deleted Items folder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > Michael Bednarek  http://mbednarek.com/  "POST NO BILLS"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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