Re: More Duplicate E-mails Outlook 2003 -DRAT!

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From: jph (jph_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 12/08/04

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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:21:05 -0800

OKOKOK, I goofed again... sorry.

In fact this IS a server issue. When I log in to the server using telnet, I
get the same list of truncated UIDs when I use the UIDL command, so sometimes
they appear identical even when they are not.

However, as noted by many users, this must be a problem with many servers,
and previous versions of Outlook dealt with it fine. Now that you are aware
of the poblem, I am sure the MS brain tust can come up with a workaround on
the client side. (perhapse when duplicates are found, the full headers of
those messages could be interrogated before any conclusion is made about
whether a message is "new" or "old".)

I have contacted my hosting company to try to get it dealt with on their
server, but honestly this is something Outlook 2003 should be able to deal
with, as other clients are able to do, and as previous Outlooks have done.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

"jph" wrote:

> Here is the problem.
>
> Outlook reports:
> 2004.12.07 23:13:33 POP3 (mail.ware.com): <rx> +OK 2 messages; msg# and
> message ID for undeleted messages:
> 2004.12.07 23:13:33 POP3 (mail.ware.com): <rx> 1
> <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAS+7XUNSr0RGuzURFU1QAAM
> 2004.12.07 23:13:33 POP3 (mail.ware.com): <rx> 2
> <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAS+7XUNSr0RGuzURFU1QAAM
> 2004.12.07 23:13:33 POP3 (mail.ware.com): <rx> .
>
>
> But... the actual POP box data shows those same two messages' UIDs as:
>
> Message-ID:
> <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAS+7XUNSr0RGuzURFU1QAAMKAAAAQAAAAnqf2ncoFuEyJSLu5AZ4AUgEAAAAA@ware.com>
>
> ...
>
> Message-ID:
> <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAS+7XUNSr0RGuzURFU1QAAMKAAAAQAAAAOHcZ2jM15ki5GfZvo+h4zQEAAAAA@ware.com>
>
>
> OUTLOOK 2003 TRUNCATES THE MESSAGE UID. That is why SIMILAR UIDs act
> identical. This causes two problems, actually... duplicate, infinite
> downloads of some messages, AND messages that are never downloaded at all.
>
> I have confirmed that this is not a server problem, as other mail clients
> correctly receive the entire UID.
>
>
> Now... can we get a fix?! :-)
>
> Thanks.
>
> "John F" wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeff,
> > Unfortunately I am having the same problem. Maybe your eye can help me out.
> > I have not had this problem before 2003 and am inclined to think it is an
> > Outlook 2003 issue.
> >
> > Every time there is a SEND/RECEIVE I get the same message. It's not a great
> > way to start out on the new software.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 <<<< Logging Started (level is LTF_TRACE) >>>>
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation started (flags =
> > 00000001)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@jfdesigns.org: UploadItems: 0 messages to send
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation completed
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation started (flags =
> > 00000030)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@jfdesigns.org: DoPOPDownload(flags = 00000030, max
> > msg = ffffffff): full items
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Begin execution
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@xyspot.com: Synch operation started (flags =
> > 00000001)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@xyspot.com: UploadItems: 0 messages to send
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@xyspot.com: Synch operation completed
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@xyspot.com: Synch operation started (flags =
> > 00000030)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 john@xyspot.com: DoPOPDownload(flags = 00000030, max msg
> > = ffffffff): full items
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com): Begin execution
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 opportunities@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation started
> > (flags = 00000001)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 opportunities@jfdesigns.org: UploadItems: 0 messages to
> > send
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 opportunities@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation completed
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 opportunities@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation started
> > (flags = 00000030)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 opportunities@jfdesigns.org: DoPOPDownload(flags =
> > 00000030, max msg = ffffffff): full items
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 projects@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation started (flags =
> > 00000001)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Begin execution
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 projects@jfdesigns.org: UploadItems: 0 messages to send
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 projects@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation completed
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 projects@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation started (flags =
> > 00000030)
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 projects@jfdesigns.org: DoPOPDownload(flags = 00000030,
> > max msg = ffffffff): full items
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:35 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Begin execution
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): ========= Initial blob
> > =========
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1100275110.5512.wmail.atlantic.net,S=3216
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1100473847.12849.wmail.atlantic.net,S=3765
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1100588370.16585.wmail.atlantic.net,S=13247
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1100634547.3263.wmail.atlantic.net,S=7144
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1100656091.22182.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1086
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1101134544.29580.wmail.atlantic.net,S=40236
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1101238558.17142.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1760540
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1101451372.8795.wmail.atlantic.net,S=3302
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1101484806.14883.wmail.atlantic.net,S=7623
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1101503826.22811.wmail.atlantic.net,S=51633
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1101765527.17014.wmail.atlantic.net,S=13402
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1101941040.4448.wmail.atlantic.net,S=69937
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102011865.9070.wmail.atlantic.net,S=20240
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102013226.2711.wmail.atlantic.net,S=10172
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102093395.32260.wmail.atlantic.net,S=14774
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102380023.5557.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1089
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102380075.7851.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1091
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102391481.21025.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1124
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102392275.18619.wmail.atlantic.net,S=2543
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102429105.8384.wmail.atlantic.net,S=49527
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102440746.25995.wmail.atlantic.net,S=4420
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102443012.27096.wmail.atlantic.net,S=5124
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > +B1102453152.9636.wmail.atlantic.net,S=72753
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > ===================================
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Port: 110, Secure: no, SPA: no
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Finding host
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Connecting to host
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Connected to host
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> +OK
> > <11405.1102470876@wmail.atlantic.net>
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Authorizing to server
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): [tx] USER john@jfdesigns.org
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> +OK
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): [tx] PASS *****
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> +OK
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Authorized to host
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Connected to host
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): [tx] STAT
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> +OK 26 9935230
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): [tx] UIDL
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:36 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> +OK
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 1
> > 1100275110.5512.wmail.atlantic.net,S=3216
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 2
> > 1100473847.12849.wmail.atlantic.net,S=3765
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 3
> > 1100588370.16585.wmail.atlantic.net,S=13247
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 4
> > 1100634547.3263.wmail.atlantic.net,S=7144
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 5
> > 1100656091.22182.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1086
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 6
> > 1101134544.29580.wmail.atlantic.net,S=40236
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 7
> > 1101238558.17142.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1760540
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 8
> > 1101451372.8795.wmail.atlantic.net,S=3302
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 9
> > 1101484806.14883.wmail.atlantic.net,S=7623
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 10
> > 1101503826.22811.wmail.atlantic.net,S=51633
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 11
> > 1101765527.17014.wmail.atlantic.net,S=13402
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 12
> > 1101941040.4448.wmail.atlantic.net,S=69937
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 13
> > 1102011865.9070.wmail.atlantic.net,S=20240
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 14
> > 1102013226.2711.wmail.atlantic.net,S=10172
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 15
> > 1102093395.32260.wmail.atlantic.net,S=14774
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 16
> > 1102380023.5557.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1089
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 17
> > 1102380075.7851.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1091
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 18
> > 1102391481.21025.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1124
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 19
> > 1102392275.18619.wmail.atlantic.net,S=2543
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 20
> > 1102429105.8384.wmail.atlantic.net,S=49527
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 21
> > 1102440746.25995.wmail.atlantic.net,S=4420
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 22
> > 1102443012.27096.wmail.atlantic.net,S=5124
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 23
> > 1102453152.9636.wmail.atlantic.net,S=72753
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 24
> > 1102453886.25326.wmail.atlantic.net,S=7051849
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 25
> > 1102460137.9598.wmail.atlantic.net,S=5176
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 26
> > 1102460220.13440.wmail.atlantic.net,S=718351
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> .
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): [tx] LIST
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> +OK
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 1 3293
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 2 3832
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 3 13329
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 4 7221
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 5 1157
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 6 40307
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 7 1760603
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 8 3374
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 9 7696
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 10 51706
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 11 13474
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 12 70010
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 13 20312
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 14 10244
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 15 14848
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 16 1156
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 17 1158
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 18 1191
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 19 2610
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 20 49598
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 21 4493
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 22 5197
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 23 72826
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 24 7051922
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 25 5249
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> 26 718424
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> .
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): ==== Comparing server and
> > local blobs ====
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > 1102453886.25326.wmail.atlantic.net,S=7051849 : new
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > 1102460137.9598.wmail.atlantic.net,S=5176 : new
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > 1102460220.13440.wmail.atlantic.net,S=718351 : new
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org):
> > ==========================================
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): [tx] RETR 24
> > 2004.12.07 20:54:37 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): <rx> +OK
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Connected to host
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): Disconnected from host
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.jfdesigns.org): End execution
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 john@jfdesigns.org: ReportStatus: RSF_COMPLETED, hr =
> > 0x800ccc0f
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 john@jfdesigns.org: Synch operation completed
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com): ========= Initial blob
> > =========
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100058447.12493.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1864
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100095668.4886.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1169
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100113299.15566.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1737
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100120322.13757.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1027
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100127400.23541.wmail.atlantic.net,S=15678
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100132017.29637.wmail.atlantic.net,S=681
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100186767.29817.wmail.atlantic.net,S=690
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100271149.29143.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1731
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100283936.19040.wmail.atlantic.net,S=19993
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100288526.13074.wmail.atlantic.net,S=21423
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100329809.3442.wmail.atlantic.net,S=10798
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100476624.957.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1432
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100478986.10528.wmail.atlantic.net,S=32156
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100479168.16700.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1752
> > 2004.12.07 20:55:04 POP3 (pop3.xyspot.com):
> > +B1100479676.1036.wmail.atlantic.net,S=1730
>
> --snip--
>
> > > I've removed all but a single download from the log you posted. Send this
> > > post to your mail provider and have them contact the vendor of their server
> > > to see if there is a bug fix for the server.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Stephenson
> > > Outlook Development
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> > >
> >

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