Re: curious font problem?

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On Nov 21, 11:03 am, Steve Rindsberg <ab...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Sure does get confusing, doesn't it?

Only when you know _too much_! You've been dealing with PP for years,
I for, I guess, two weeks now.

I'm glad I can challenge you with a problem you probably haven't
encountered before! I imagine you mostly get the same hundred
questions over and over (which is why all those convenient url's are
available to solve them!)

vide infra

I was giving examples of different languages, so I checked the option
to Download Fonts when putting it on the CD

Do you mean the "Embedded fonts" checkbox? That would cause the Package for CD routine to put
copies of any embedded fonts on the CD, as I read it. In other words, if you haven't already saved
the presentation and elected to embed the fonts, it might not do anything.

To quote from *Special Edition Using Microsoft Office PowerPoint 2003*
by Routledge, Grey, and Mucciolo, p. 194, "If your presentation uses
any fonts you're not positive are on the computer you'll use, click
the Embedded TrueType fonts box so that it contains a check mark.
PowerPoint packages the fonts so that your presentation is sure to
look the way you created it. CAUTION You can embed other TrueType
fonts that you install only if they aren't restricted by locense or
copyright. You'll receive an error message if you try to embed a
restricted font." I didn't get an error message (and Arial Unicode
comes with, as we've noted).

Fine. But that still doesn't answer the question.
There are TWO places where you can deal with fonts. We still don't know which you've chosen.

Yes you do. I've been telling you this happened when I packaged a
presentation onto a CD and used it in an alien computer, where
everything worked perfectly except the display of less than a dozen
characters. (That actually surprised me, because I've been to a number
of archeology talks where it took them 20 minutes to get it up and
running. Us linguists, though, usually still use paper handouts.)

1) In the Save dialog where you can CHOOSE to embed fonts or not. That's the one the quote above refers
to, I expect, but it's not clear.

No, why would I have quoted a passage to you for a process I never
engaged in?

2) In Package for CD, where you have an "Embedded TrueType Fonts" checkbox. Help is a bit vague on what
this does, exactly; it may also embed the fonts or just copy them to the CD. Probably the former.

Well, since it's labeld "Embedded" ...

I haven't come across anything about saving a presentation in the
ordinary way that offered an option of embedding fonts, and it isn't
mentioned in the quoted paragraph, so that doesn't seem likely.

File, Save As, click Tools, then Save Options. It's been around in one form or another longer than
Package for CD. Whether that's what the paragraph refers to or not, I've no idea ... can't say w/o
seeing it in context. And it doesn't really matter, because the question is which did YOU do.

Why would I even _want_ to do that, when I'm only using my own
computer? It seems like it would just make the file a lot bigger, for
no purpose. (Maybe it has to do with Web pages?)

It seems, then that you've chosen the second option, yes? In the Package for CD options dialog?

Yes.

My point is this: it can save a lot of confusion and back/forth messages if you describe exactly what
you've done in PPT's own terms. ex: "I chose File, Package for CD, then clicked Options and in the
Package for CD options dialog box, put a checkmark next to "Embedded Truetype Fonts".

That's what I said I did, even if I couldn't notate the exact steps
several days after doing it!

Make sense? Read on ... more comments intertwined below.

, and the Russian and
Sanskrit appeared perfectly (both part of Arial)

Cyrillic glyphs are included in the copy of Arial here but not Sanskrit.
Are you certain it wasn't Arial Unicode?

It WAS Arial Unicode. (By "here," do you mean the computer you're
using? If you haven't turned on the Sanskrit IME (in the Regional and
Language Options control panel), you probably won't see the Sanskrit
characters in a font display.)

See below.

-- but the Ge`ez
(Ethiopic) showed up as boxes! I typed it using the Taveultesoft
keyboard add-on and its font called "Ge`ez Unicode," but then I
converted it to Arial Unicode

How did you do the conversion?

Selected the whole line (which had Ge`ez characters and Arial roman
characters), so the box in the toolbar identifying the font was empty,
and chose Arial from the font menu; the Ge`ez characters changed shape
as the font changed, and selecting any one of them individually showed
Arial Unicode in the font identification box.

and the letterforms were intact on my
screen and on my "Handout" reference copy (9 slides per page).

Character Map and the Insert Symbol function in PPT don't list Ethiopic for either Arial or Arial
Unicode. Perhaps they're missing it, but perhaps the characters are not really in the font and PPT
has mapped Arial/Arial Unicode back to a font that *does* have the characters. When you select some
of the Ethiopic text on your PC, does the formatting bar indicate that it's in Arial Unicode?

Yep. (Do CM and IS show characters you can't type because you haven't
installed the relevant IME? I think so, because Hebrew and Arabic
appear there -- though of course if you Insert Symbol them, the Arabic
letters don't combine into properly joined-up words.)

That's the thing ... on this particular computer (what I meant above by "here") I don't have any IME or
alternate language support installed, but CM and IS both show Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Arabic and a
host of other languages' glyphs. I can only assume that if Arial Unicode includes the glyph, it should
appear in CM, at least. I don't entirely trust IS (it may show previously inserted symbols from some
font other than the currently selected one).

So to fill in the reply to your earlier question, I'd expect to see Sanskrit in CM, if it were included
in the set of glyphs supported by Arial Unicode. It doesn't here, but does it appear in your copy of
CM? What about the Ethiopic characters?

It surprised me that I could change the font from (the one that came
with the IME) to Arial Unicode, given that Ge`ez/Ethiopic/Amharic
isn't an IME available in XP Pro. (Amharic would be the most likely
name for it, since it's the national language of Ethiopia -- or it
might be called Tigrinya, for the national language of Eritrea that
uses the same script.)

Howcome the Sanskrit font downloaded properly, but the Ge`ez didn't?-
In article <f0758ef9-df27-4929-a12f-f995c88b6...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,Grammatimwrote:
On Nov 16, 1:35 pm, Steve Rindsberg <ab...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <dc6693e0-db2a-45a2-bfbc-787cbb865...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,Grammatimwrote:
It did NOT work!! That's why I'm asking my question.

I'm having trouble understanding the problem then. You wrote:

but then I
converted it to Arial Unicode and the letterforms were intact on my
screen and on my "Handout" reference copy (9 slides per page).

and I took "intact on my screen" to mean that it worked.

It worked on _my own_ computer, but not on the computer that was
hosting the presentation -- even though when I made the CD, I checked
the "Download all fonts" box.

If Arial Unicode comes with Office rather than Windows, that's all the
more reason it should work with an Office app.

It comes with Office but, as best I recall, is NOT part of a typical install.
In other words, there's no guarantee that it'll be present on the system.

I didn't expect it to be on the host computer. Any more than I
expected Sanskrit to be on the host computer!

On Nov 15, 5:43 pm, Steve Rindsberg <ab...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <3ccbcb50-2e9b-4e11-9c9f-56fe36abc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,Grammatim
wrote:

I didn't say "converted to unicode," I said "converted to Arial
Unicode," i.e. did a font change, after typing the text. Arial Unicode
is a font that comes with Windows XP Pro.

Actually, no, it doesn't. It it's an optional installable font that comes with several
versions of Office, but not with Windows.

As to why it worked after having converted to Arial Unicode ... most probably the font you
originally wasn't installed on the borrowed PC or embedded, but Arial Unicode was available,
so by making the conversion, you forced PPT to use a font that was installed and had the
needed glyphs as part of its character set.

On Nov 11, 11:20 am, "Troy @ TLC" <troychol...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am not certain what is meant by 'converted to unicode'...

But in general unicode fonts cannot be embedded into a PPT, so the custom
Ge'ez did not travel with the presentation. The solution would be to copy
the actual font and install onto the viewing computer.

--
- Troy Chollar
- TLC Creative Services, Inc.
- A MS PowerPoint MVP
- Host ofwww.ThePowerPointBlog.com

"grammatim" <gramma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

news:1194732856.354408.175270@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I gave my first PowerPoint presentation this morning, and everything
went perfectly -- the projector projected as soon as the video cable
was connected to the borrowed computer, PowerPoint Viewer worked
perfectly -- except for one thing.

I was giving examples of different languages, so I checked the option
to Download Fonts when putting it on the CD, and the Russian and
Sanskrit appeared perfectly (both part of Arial) -- but the Ge`ez
(Ethiopic) showed up as boxes! I typed it using the Taveultesoft
keyboard add-on and its font called "Ge`ez Unicode," but then I
converted it to Arial Unicode and the letterforms were intact on my
screen and on my "Handout" reference copy (9 slides per page).

Howcome the Sanskrit font downloaded properly, but the Ge`ez didn't?-
.

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