Re: Font problem
From: Sonia (scds_at_nowherebuthere.com)
Date: 08/05/04
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 14:22:25 -0700
-- different fonts (font happy!)
Sounds like ransom notes. LOL!
"Rich" <rich_mcneill@waters.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the replies. The replace fonts worked great! The person who
> developed the presentation decided to use two or three different fonts on the
> same page and on other pages there are different fonts (font happy!). It so
> happens, Futura is not on ANY of the PC's (except theirs) and it forces us to
> use the replace fonts tool and change all the slides so the text does not run
> off the screen (as well as when we want to print the presentation).
> Unfortunately I don't believe we'll be able to change the habits of this
> individual. So although it creates a headache (and more work) for us, at
> lesat I got some answers from some very capable MVP's as to what I need to do
> (and what not to do) in the future. Thanks for all your help!
>
> "Steve Rindsberg" wrote:
>
> > In article <6C80294A-A202-43D5-BEEA-7EEDD4375E1F@microsoft.com>, Rich wrote:
> > > Thanks Sonia However it does seem strange that PPT will print something
with
> > > a font that 'doesn't exist' in the host system.
> >
> > As will pretty much any program you run under Windows. It's worked this way
since
> > Windows 3.0 at least.
> >
> > > It just substitutes
> > > 'something' for another thing.
> >
> > Windows does, not PPT.
> >
> > > Nor is the end user told which font will be
> > > used as a substitute.
> >
> > I'm not sure there's any way it can, actually. I think what happens is it
asks
> > Windows for a bitmap graphic to display, here's the text, this font, that
size
> > please. Windows hands something back, PPT displays it.
> >
> > > This has created a major headache here. Some
> > > computers will print the PPT file with a substituted font and the
> > > presentation will look ok. I checked my coworkers computer and it has
Arial
> > > Unicode MS as the substituted font (same as I do) for Futura Book.
> >
> > See my previous replies. Arial Unicode is probably the first font that
shows up on
> > the list, not necessarily the font Windows is substituting for Futura Book.
> >
> > > when it prints from their machine, the font looks totally different from
my
> > > machine.
> >
> > That may be printer dependent. For example, if I choose ZapfChancery I know
it's a
> > printer font, not a TT font (printer icon next to it in the fonts list).
Since I
> > don't have a TT or T1 font on the computer, what shows on screen is
anybody's
> > guess. Windows is hardwired to show Monotype Corsiva in place of
ZapfChancery IF
> > it's available, and on my system, it is, so that's what I get.
> >
> > If I print to a PostScript printer, it'll have ZC installed internally, so
that's
> > what prints. Otherwise, I'll get MonoCorsiva. Close enough.
> >
> > But if you don't have either of those on your computer, you'll get ... beats
me. A
> > script font if you have one, since Windows knows enough to match serif to
serif,
> > sans to sans, script to script when it substitutes. Beyond that, it's
anybody's
> > guess.
> >
> > > Also, Microsoft no longer gives out fonts. Futura book (alone,
> > > nothing fancy) cost $22.00 not a lot of money, but a real pain in the
> > > backside when one is in a tight timetable to finish a job. I think it
would
> > > be nice for Micrsoft to start giving out some fonts when we are paying for
> > > Office versions 2000,XP, and 2003!
> >
> > They do. Lots of fonts are included with every version of Office.
> >
> > This page tells you what fonts are included with various MS products.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/default.aspx
> >
> > To install the extra fonts in Office 2003, rerun Setup and look under Office
Shared
> > Features, Fonts in Office 2003. Some of the earlier versions of Office have
the
> > fonts sitting loose on the Office CD where you can install them directly.
> >
> > The two main lessons here:
> >
> > 1 - It's not a PowerPoint bug, it's the way Windows works. It's got to
display the
> > text using some font, even if that means using a substitute for one that
isn't
> > available
> >
> > 1a - A freebie: you're darn right it should TELL us what it's doing. And
it
> > should bark like a startled terrier when it does so we KNOW something's
amiss.
> >
> > 2 - If you're going to distribute presentations far and wide and you have to
rely
> > on the fonts being installed in order to get proper formatting, stick with
the
> > basics. REAL basics. Arial, Times New Roman, Courier, Stop there.
> >
> > >
> > > "Sonia" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would guess that it was Arial Unicode, but I wasn't there when you
opened it.
> > > > <G> If that was what was showing when you went to Replace Fonts, that's
what
> > > > was substituted. You can change that by clicking on the arrowhead next
to the
> > > > "Replace with" box and pick one of your choosing.
> > > >
> > > > "Rich" <rich_mcneill@waters.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8EB72130-19B1-48C6-A408-B002D7EBFF5F@microsoft.com...
> > > > > Sonia I did what you suggested. The replacement font for Futura was
Arial
> > > > > UniCode MS. This was not the font which was substituted by PPT the
first
> > > > > time around. What I'd like to know is what font was substituted for
Futura
> > > > > when I orginally opened the presentation? Rich
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sonia" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > PowerPoint tries to pick something close, but usually misses. Go to
Format
> > > > >
> > > > > > Replace Font and select Future on the top (has ?? by it maybe) and
select a
> > > > > > replacement font from the list at the bottom.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sonia Coleman
> > > > > > Microsoft PowerPoint MVP Team
> > > > > > Autorun Software, Templates and Tutorials
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Rich" <rich_mcneill@waters.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:231F3A3D-45C2-4DF9-8001-C16FAA78D1F4@microsoft.com...
> > > > > > > Using PPT2003 Windows XP. I opened a presentation which someone
used
> > > > Futura
> > > > > > > book as the font. When I opened it on my computer, the font
looked and
> > > > > > > printed different from the original. However, when I looked at
the menu
> > > > in
> > > > > > > my PPT, it showed me that Futura was being used. I then looked in
my
> > > > system
> > > > > > > fonts and discovered Futura was not there. What font was being
used? If
> > > > I
> > > > > > > do not have Futura on my system, and PPT showed me that the font
on the
> > > > > > > presentation is Futura, what font was used in place of Futura?
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Rich
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
> > PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
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