Re: MBSA, Office Update, Versions, Failures
- From: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tompepper@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:52:52 -0600
Work on your grammar, spelling and sentence structure and maybe somone will
give you an intelligent response? ;-)
"Dummy" <Dummy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:757EAFA5-05B5-406C-AA48-2188D8342A40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
ok, I'll admit all this computa jargon is makin' ma head spin. all i wanna
do
is turn on this heah computa and tap away, knowing that when i click on
things like I'm told, things are gonna work like they's supposed to. so u
may
call me a dummy if u like, but my microsoft updates keep on a'comin', and
my
windows updates -- they keep on a'comin', too, but that MSN task launcher,
whenever i click on a :"template on the web", a little popup comes up to
stall me and cause me grief. That popup tells me i have to reinstall or
something or other, but when i go to do that, more problems occur in the
control panel, there seem to be no end to difficulties...
i don't wanna know all the gory details. i just want it to WORK.
surely mr. gates could appoint someone to fix this little detail. or mr.
gates's secretary could appoint someone, eh?
"Rush L." wrote:
Dear Michael, don't you have a race to get ready for? Probably an old
joke
for you, sorry.
I'm just trying to find out how to continue getting Office 2003 automatic
updates without the Outlook updates. Couldn't find anything on the MS
Office
site for this, probably because it's not possible. I don't use Outlook
because I can't send any E-Mails larger than 5 meg using Verizon DSL. The
auto update won't leave me alone until I install it and of course if I
turn
off the auto updates the annoying reminders that it's off pops up way too
often......... Kind of new at this blogging stuff so I don't even know if
I
got this ? in the right area. Thanks, Rush L.
"Michael" wrote:
Hello (all?),
I apologize for posting this to three groups (MBSA, Windows Update,
Office Update), I realize the risk is not getting or missing something
due to a belief that someone else will "get it". The same problem
emails have with many on the TO: list. However, these questions I have
are interrelated and may need expertise from multiple areas. Some are
easy (simple) questions; others are not and will require "more" details
from me. Again, I apologize for the length and/or wordiness. (Sigh,
always the dramatic...)
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First, versions:
Micro Transport ZX laptop, Pent III, 500 MHz. 128MB Ram, 6.0GB HD.
2 USB (1.1) ports, one to External CD/RW drive, other Canon Image
Printer.
Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional, Office 2000 Professional.
All have latest Service Packs and Patches, including recent Win 2000
July Updates from Windows Update Web site. NOT including latest patches
for Office 2000 (problem below).
"My Computer" Properties reads: Microsoft Windows 2000, 5.00.2195,
Service Pack 4.
Word About reads: Microsoft Word 2000 (9.0.6926 SP-3).
MBSA version: 1.2.3316.1
Security Update Database version: 2004.7.13.0
MS Office Update Database version: 11.0.0.6608
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Note: About Network DOMAIN (to workgroup or not to workgroup...)
This machine previously used on a work Domain, used almost exclusively
with Domain User account (connected or not). Now, use local machine
account or administrator account. The "Domain" still exists (cannot
connect anymore), and domain accounts still exist.
My old domain account, needed to access the locally saved email and
contacts via Outlook 2000, a very LARGE (258MB) locally saved
Outlook.ost file. This is a problem actually, cannot use Outlook really
for anything else, as needs to connect to an Exchange Server to create
any new Outlook Profile. I would "love" to export my Domain/Outlook
items and eliminate the Domain (set a Workgroup). But export this to
what? A local PST file? What could Import that? Would export/import
lose attachments? Outlook really should be standard part of the
Operating System (thanks that Express is much better).
This also means I do not have access to the old (network domain) folder
location where MS Office was installed and maintained from. Nor any
Office 2K Install CD (with Disk1.cab file). This a problem for me below
with both MBSA and Office Update Web Site. I do have the license CD's
for all else (Win2K, Visio2K, Visual Studio 6, Oracle 8i). "We" (IT
people) just forgot an Office CD for me when I got this computer from
my previously workplace (and no going back). "We" did make sure Office
SP4 installed.
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Ok, sorry now the questions:
MBSA version Updating
Microsoft Baseline Security Advisor (? Administrator? I forget).
MBSA seems to update the Security/Windows version (data) itself, when
you scan while connected to the Internet. (Wish the Scanning and
Updating were separate functions, btw). The "mssecure.xml" and .cab
files I mean.
1. Does the actual program MBSA v1.2.3316.1 "update" automatically? How
can I tell if another (better) version exists? (Would
uninstall/install be necessary?)
2. The office database version data files (not just one xml, but a
couple and a folder?) do not (or has not for me) changed at all since I
initially got MBSA set up and working. The version 11.0.0.6608 is as
above. Is this true that Office info does not update automatically? If
not, how to check and update this?
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3. MBSA Results Issues - IE (Internet Explorer) Zones, Severe Red X.
It says IE Zones do not have secure settings for some users and Zone is
"Restricted Sites" is "Custom" and recommended "High". It lists the
User's ID only, and turns out this is a Domain Administrator account,
used previously by my old workplace IT people). I don't know the
password, nor the effect of simply deleting this account, without
eliminating the network Domain settings also.
When MBSA first setup I remember getting these types of failures for
various users (and also for the "Macro Security", see next problem #4).
It isn't possible to do "Global" settings changes? (i.e. affect all
users on machine, even one's can't access normally). This Domain Admin
account not used at all by me but gets Severe Red X and has failed
every scan done by MBSA so far...
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4. MBSA Results Issue - Macro Security, Yellow X.
It says 4 Office Products were found and some issues are found. (Not
true, have Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access, and Outlook. Isn't that
five products?) (I have Visio 2K, btw).
For 2 Users on Two Products (four problem issues listed in MBSA
report). Two Products are MS Outlook 2000 and MS PowerPoint 2000. One
User is the above-mentioned Domain Admin account; the other user is
unknown, apparently a local account, and first parts of ID). I suspect
SMS account or Backup account? Visual Studio created two accounts for
VS Analyzer once-upon-a-time. This is unused (by me). However, identity
of the second account here is unknown so far by me.
The "4" Macro Security Issues (same for both Users, both Products):
Macro Security is set to Medium which will allow you to choose whether
or not to run possibly unsafe macros. Is does list all "OK" for Word
and Excel. Does not "see" MS Access 2K, apparently.
Again, a "Global" way to change this for all users would be muy bueno.
I have a lot of these error failures, and sometimes would change and
would come back (probably affected via Net Framework 1.1? or
Group/Local Policy? COM+ objects). It seems IE Zones and Office
Security settings are done in many places.
How to fix this for accounts I cannot login to? (one the Domain Admin,
the other unknown). The unknown might be one of two SMS accounts that
also exist). Can't and don't login with SMS as well).
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5. Office 2000 Security Patches - Red X's, Severe Security Risks
This a problem with Office Update Web Site and MBSA. To be fair, MBSA
is working perfectly, reporting that these Security Updates are not
installed. Installing them is what I would really like (opposed to
faking or setting MBSA to stop Red X-ing).
Note: Office 2000 SP4 already installed. Only post SP4 Security Patches
have are involved. The "five" Security Patches are:
1. KB826292 - Access 2000 Snapshot Viewer Security Patch, English
Version.
2. KB930349 - Excel 2000 Security Patch.
3. KB822035 - Office 2000 Security Patch.
4. KB824993 - Office 2000 WordPerfect 5.x Converter Security Patch,
English Version.
5. KB830347 - Word 2000 Security Patch.
These all "fail" (and have been failing) from MS Office Update Web
Site. They download (are downloaded), look like they are installing
(disk lights flash), then near the "end", a dialog box requesting
Office Install CD or Network Location (with old Domain Shared Folder
location displayed in Edit Box by default). It is asking for
"Disk1.cab" (or is it "Disk1.msi" ??). I must press Cancel, so the
whole thing fails and backs out.
There is a link to "Report Problem to Microsoft", which have done
several times. I have tried the "Full File Versions" of the updates,
and a few other suggestions. But although would not tell me the exact
reason, apparently some files in office are missing the version numbers
or have lost them? Probably (very likely) they are unrelated to the
Security Patch involved.
It would see Security Patches should be different than product updates.
But all who have tried to help me, say it should work without a Source
Office CD...
I know also, there are further Office Security Patches after these
five. (Presume haven't shown up, because these still "waiting
failures".) Any ways to find out if/what these other Security Patches
are?
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5. Office (2000) Update - related to above Office Security Patches
I have two folders under "C:\Program Files\", one is "OfficeUpdate",
other "OfficeUpdate11", with both having a "Cabs" sub-folder. The first
appears to be older and has two in the "Cabs" folder, 510065, 510634.
The second ("OfficeUpdate11") has five in the "Cabs" folder, the five
Office Security Patches listed above, 511319, 511325, 511324, 511467,
511468. It is here that the downloaded patches have been hiding (each
number a folder under "Cabs").
Can/Should I delete any of this and re-try Office Update Web Site?
Delete entire "OfficeUpdate" and "OfficeUpdate11" folders, I mean.
Will Office Update re-set this up?
I wonder if having these locally and failures affect seeing any beyond
or even affect the re-trying to install them. Perhaps the problem is
fixed, but since somewhere it is marked to "ask for Source CD", that
what it always does.
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That's it (not really, but hey).
Thanks heeps anyway!
Michael Waltrip
San Diego, California
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