Re: Office 2003 SP2

Then what you have seen from other MVPs and Microsoft employees post is
going against the EULA. The only redistribution CD for an SP I have even
seen is for Windows XP SP-2.

I suppose you also believe you don't need a separate license for each
Windows installation in a Virtual PC?

--?
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, Tom [Pepper] Willett asked:

| I think you are going overboard on this one. You're injecting too
| much into your interpretation. Your tone is not keeping in the
| spirit that MVPs should be portraying.
|
| If someone is unable to download it, and they have a friend do it for
| them, it's no different than going to the friend's house and
| downloading it yourself off the computer to use on your computer.
|
| If you post it on a web site for download, that's another thing.
|
| I have seen MS employees in other newsgroups, as well as many other
| MVPs, recommend having someone download service packs on their
| computer when the person is unable to do so for themselves.
|
| I, for one, encourage the OP to not worry about it.
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| <MillyS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:eR%23$t39DGHA.3004@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|| <Snip> I'm also surpriced to see my own questions and others being
|| unanswered, I almost get the feeling that defending the copyright is
|| more important than to support user (customers) in finding solutions
|| to the issues they have.</Snip>
||
|| I answer questions for which I know the answers... if yours was not
|| one of them, then I would be foolish to attempt to answer it. As
|| for defending the copyright, no, it is in the EULA and should be
|| defended. As for the go away remark, I stand by it. The OP is
|| welcome to post as many times as he/she wishes on as many topics
|| (on-topic topics) as they want. However, this particular thread is
|| old and not useful. Anyone reading the EULA would have figured it
|| out a long time ago but this poster insisted on showing how little
|| he/she understands "redistribution of Microsoft SP" is not allowed.
||
||
|| --?
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
|| reading.
||
|| After furious head scratching, Lars asked:
||
||| Hi Milly and Happy New Year
|||
||| I'm a little surpriced about reading "Now go away". I'm also
||| surpriced to see my own questions and others being unanswered, I
||| almost get the feeling that defending the copyright is more
||| important than to support user (customers) in finding solutions to
||| the issues they have.
||| Please read the post again and you will see that the question was
||| not making a illegal copy, to distribute worldwide, it was just to
||| get an update, to make it possible to install.
||| I'm sure you guys have a large team casing the Chinese copy guys so
||| please don't do this on the support page.
|||
||| With an never fading hope of getting Windows to work.
|||
||| Lars
|||
||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||
|||| Okay - one last time in little words so you understand.
||||
|||| Your post said for "someone else" with a highspeed connection
|||| should download SP-2, burn it and give you a copy.
||||
|||| Jaisy's response said for YOU to connect via a highspeed
|||| connection, download it and copy it to a CD.
||||
|||| I guess my reading skills survived New Year's Eve.
||||
|||| Now go away.
||||
||||
|||| --Â?
|||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||
|||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||| without reading.
||||
|||| After furious head scratching, 41db14 asked:
||||
||||| Okay Milly Staples just want to start your year out right, I posed
||||| my same question to Microsoft managers and below is a recent
||||| response from Jaisy!! As I recall I poised exactly what jaisy is
||||| suggesting I do....!
|||||
||||| But according to you, what Jaisy is suggesting is an illegal
||||| copyright infringement, right from the horses mouth..... Now don't
||||| you look silly.....
|||||
||||| Bye the bye I do care to take you up on this. I forwarded a copy
||||| of your response & Jaisy's response to the microsoft legal
||||| group....It appears to me that neither of you know what the he..
||||| your talking about.
||||| Cheers & Happy New Year
|||||
||||| ***********************************************************
||||| Hello David,
|||||
||||| Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.
|||||
||||| I understand that you wish to obtain Office 2003 Service pack 2
||||| update on CD since it takes a long time to download it on your
||||| computer. I realize the importance of the issue.
|||||
||||| As a Customer Service Representative, I can assist you with the
||||| support options available with your Microsoft product.
|||||
||||| I would like to inform you that Office 2003 Service pack 2 update
||||| is not available on CD. I recommend that you download the update
||||| from a computer having a high speed Internet connection and copy
||||| it to a CD and then install it on your computer.
|||||
||||| David, I hope you find the above information helpful. If you have
||||| any further questions, please contact us again.
|||||
||||| Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
|||||
||||| Jaisy
||||| Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
|||||
||||| If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service
||||| experience, please send an e-mail to my manager, Sujith Sadasivan,
||||| at managers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||||| **********************************************************
|||||
||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||||
|||||| Okay - I see now. You prefer to obfuscate the plain issue where
|||||| you explicitly inquired about someone else downloading the patch
|||||| for you, supplying you with the CD once downloaded, and then
|||||| installing the CD of the downloaded and redistributed patch to
|||||| get around the long download time for YOU, and then backtracking
|||||| while denying your original post stating your intentions. My
|||||| response to you indicated that this would not be legal. You
|||||| then responded with hems and haws about how you would like to
|||||| use a "creative" solution. Now you deny the obvious request in
|||||| in the first post that you made.
||||||
|||||| There is nothing in the MVP designation that authorizes me or not
|||||| to state the EULA requirements that appear on every Microsoft
|||||| patch or update. You can read them for yourself. I simply
|||||| pointed out the plainly stated legalities which you can read for
|||||| yourself in the EULA.
||||||
|||||| You, sir or madam, are incapable of excusing yourself. You want
|||||| to end this converation about whether it is legal or not to ask
|||||| someone else to download a patch for you and give it to you?
|||||| Fine. If you want to take it further with my MVP status, we can
|||||| always submit the original converation to Microsoft for THEIR
|||||| interpretation, which I am sure will coincide with mine.
||||||
|||||| Care to take me up on this?
||||||
|||||| --Ã?Â?
|||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||
|||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
|||||| unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted
|||||| without reading.
||||||
|||||| After furious head scratching, 41db14 asked:
||||||
||||||| I know what I wrote in the original text. Its quite apparent
||||||| you didnÃ?¢ââ??‰â??¢tÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?¦..My beginning
||||||| statement starts with Ã?¢ââ??¬Ã?â??My question
||||||| isÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?Â?, and it ended with a question mark (?) It
||||||| does
||||||| not say that I have
||||||| already asked anyone
||||||| at this point to do anything, nor have I done anything, at this
||||||| juncture.
||||||| It was merely a simple question.
|||||||
||||||| I was under the impressions that MVP types were suppose to be
||||||| friendly and helpful. You violate that impression. You set an
||||||| accusatory tone by
||||||| implying I had already breached the MS redistribution policy. I
||||||| refer you to your initial response to me. And to your last
||||||| response
||||||| Ã?¢ââ??¬Ã?â??Now tell meÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?¦.Ã?¢ââ??¬Ã?Â?
||||||| continues with an Ã?¢ââ??¬Ã?â??in your face
||||||| attitudeÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?Â?.
|||||||
||||||| In your apparent haste to try to impress me with your legal
||||||| prowess,
||||||| you glaringly omitted your legal position on my most recent
||||||| scenario.
||||||| Where I
||||||| clearly state that I would be performing the entire download
||||||| processÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?¦.the
||||||| only role the other party may play is in the use of their phone
||||||| line.
||||||| You
||||||| see I can jump to irrational conclusions to, by assuming
||||||| youÃ?¢ââ??‰â??¢re a
||||||| lawyerÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?¦Ã?¢ââ??¬Ã?¦..and you know what we all
||||||| think about lawyersÃ?¢ââ??¬Ã?¦
|||||||
||||||| Any further response from you is not warranted or requested.
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||||||
|||||||| Your own words - quoted directly from the original post - which
|||||||| you can read at the bottom of this reply:
||||||||
|||||||||||| My questions is if the Office 2003 SP 2 is not available on
|||||||||||| CD, can I have someone who has a faster internet access
|||||||||||| download the Office 2003 SP 2 update onto a RW-CD on their
|||||||||||| PC and then I can install the update onto my PC from that
|||||||||||| CD?
||||||||
|||||||| Now, tell me again how you did not request that someone else do
|||||||| the download for you and provide you with the disc - the exact
|||||||| definition of redistributing software?
||||||||
|||||||| --Ã?â??Ã?Â?
|||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||
|||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||
|||||||| After furious head scratching, 41db14 asked:
||||||||
||||||||| Perhaps you missunderstood....? I never said or implyed that
||||||||| "someone else" would do the download and send the patch to me!
||||||||| "I" personally would perform the download process (no risk to
||||||||| anyone else). The entire chain of custody would be mine.
||||||||| All I would be useing is their highspeed internet access
||||||||| method to obtain the patch for "my" PC. If it would make MS
||||||||| feel better I will make sure that no one is in the house
||||||||| during the time of the download...!
|||||||||
||||||||| I am surprised that you have jumped to the conclusion that I
||||||||| may be engaging in some illegal/criminal activity by violating
||||||||| Microsoft's policies about redistributing.......again thanks
||||||||| for your input
|||||||||
||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| There is no Office 2003 XP Pro.
||||||||||
|||||||||| You have Windows XP Professional which the Office XP patch
|||||||||| would not touch. Office System 2003 Professional will not use
|||||||||| any of the Office XP patches either.
||||||||||
|||||||||| If you are asking someone to download the SP-2 patch and then
|||||||||| send it to you, you are requesting that someone else (no risk
|||||||||| to you) violate Microsoft's policies about redistributing
|||||||||| their software or patches. It is illegal and I am surprised
|||||||||| that you insist it is simply a "creative workaround."
||||||||||
|||||||||| As I have said before, wait until the end of November to
|||||||||| order the CD. There is nothing "critical" in SP-2 that
|||||||||| warrants immediate installation.
||||||||||
|||||||||| --Ã?Æ?ââ?¬Å¡Ã?â??Ã?Â?
|||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||
|||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|||||||||| All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be
|||||||||| deleted without reading.
||||||||||
|||||||||| After furious head scratching, 41db14 asked:
||||||||||
||||||||||| Milly,
||||||||||| I have legal copies of both Windows XP Pro & Office 2003 XP
||||||||||| Pro installed...so pehaps the CD is not useless...?
|||||||||||
||||||||||| I would not consider it a ("breach of Microsoft's terms to
||||||||||| redistribute any of the > patches that they provide"),
||||||||||| simply because I would not be redistributing the patch it
||||||||||| would be for my own use and consumption. The only thing I
||||||||||| would be doing is using a differerent source (faster
||||||||||| internet) to obtain a patch that I am legally entitled to.
|||||||||||
||||||||||| If MS hadn't created a patch that takes over five hours to
||||||||||| download, only to find out that the dowload was unsucessfull
||||||||||| then perhaps one wouldn't have to resort to creative ways to
||||||||||| obtain the patch.
|||||||||||
||||||||||| With all of the problems I have read that others are
||||||||||| experiencing regarding this patch I think I will hold off...
||||||||||| Thanks for your input
|||||||||||
||||||||||| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:
|||||||||||
|||||||||||| If you have no Office XP programs installed, the CD is
|||||||||||| useless. You will need to wait for the Office 2003 SP-2 CD
|||||||||||| to be available, typically 6-8 weeks after the SP is
|||||||||||| released for download.
||||||||||||
|||||||||||| Further, it is a breach of Microsoft's terms to
|||||||||||| redistribute any of the patches that they provide.
||||||||||||
|||||||||||| Check back at the end of November.
||||||||||||
|||||||||||| --Ã?Æ?Ã?â??Ã?¢ââ??¬Ã?¡Ã?Æ?ââ?¬Å¡Ã?â??Ã?Â?
|||||||||||| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||||||||||||
|||||||||||| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion
|||||||||||| intact. All unsolicited mail sent to my personal account
|||||||||||| will be deleted without reading.
||||||||||||
|||||||||||| After furious head scratching, 41db14 asked:
||||||||||||
||||||||||||| Problem & questions regarding the Office 2003 Service Pack
||||||||||||| 2. My internet access speed of 26.4kbps it would take over
||||||||||||| 5+ hours to download the Office 2003 SP2 service pack!
|||||||||||||
||||||||||||| I was informed that the Office 2003 SP2 update is not
||||||||||||| available on a CD but the Service pack 3 is and includes
||||||||||||| the SP2 update.
|||||||||||||
||||||||||||| I ordered and received the SP3 CD,
||||||||||||| however the CD is "Office XP Professional (Service Pack
||||||||||||| 3)" It does not indicate that it is "Office 2003 Service
||||||||||||| Pack 3"...? The CD is - OFFICE 10 with two folders/
||||||||||||| executable files Fullfile - SP3CDFF.exe
||||||||||||| STANDARD - SP3CDOP.exe
|||||||||||||
||||||||||||| There is no read me or text file with installation
||||||||||||| instructions on the CD....? When you click on either
||||||||||||| file, a window pops up asking where you want to install
||||||||||||| the extracted files....?
|||||||||||||
||||||||||||| The problem concern I have is,....I already have "OFFICE
||||||||||||| 11" installed!!!... I recall the last fiasco with windows
||||||||||||| SP2 update,
|||||||||||||
||||||||||||| I suspect that if I attempt to install either of these
||||||||||||| files it will overwrite an undo my OFFICE 11
||||||||||||| installation......?
|||||||||||||
||||||||||||| I have attempted to download the SP2 update after 5 hours
||||||||||||| of downloading it indicated that the download was
||||||||||||| unsuccessful!
|||||||||||||
||||||||||||| My questions is if the Office 2003 SP 2 is not available
||||||||||||| on CD, can I have someone who has a faster internet access
||||||||||||| download the Office 2003 SP 2 update onto a RW-CD on
||||||||||||| their PC and then I can install the update onto my PC
||||||||||||| from that CD?


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