Re: Networked Office
From: Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP] (cwshultz_at_mvps.org)
Date: 07/22/04
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:38:21 -0400
Andy,
I am quite confident that Sarah is not going to listen / accept anything
that we suggest to her.
I wonder what NOS / Application(s) she means.
I am a big fan of Active Directory and really like what you can do with
GPOs, whether making a couple - or lot - of configuration settings or
deploying applications to either the user- or computer-side of things.
I have never worked in an environment of more than 300+ users but can tell
you that GPOs are a really big Administrative 'Extra Strength Tylenol'!
Cary
"AndyC" <andyc69@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OcJRhfAcEHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
> "Sarah Tanembaum" <sarahtanembaum@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2ma4sfFkhlp6U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > "AndyC" <andyc69@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > > msiexec /a office.msi
> > >
> > > This creates the correct folder structure for the server. No files are
> > > copied to the workstation.
> > Sure, but you have to do this for all the workstation, is that correct?
> > Imagine if you have to do this install 1000+ times.
> > Why can I just install all the file in the server and executed in the
> > workstation.
>
> No. You do this on the server to unpack the installation structure from
the
> compressed CD image. You only need to do it once.
>
> > Another thing is that it needs administrator installation, why? Again,
> > you are simulating workstation installation but using the network drive.
> > That's not the same thing.
>
> You want ordinary users to be able to install applications on the server?
>
> > If this is a SMART and TRUE Network Apps, I will be able to execute the
> > apps as regular user where then I can customized whatever I want e.g.
> > location
> > of my personal template, my document directory, etc.etc.
>
> Per-user settings can be configured by a user as usual. *Unless* an
> Administrator specifically restricts them to do otherwise.
>
> > What happen if you have many users access it? How's the application
manage
> > to
> > keep each user to its own space?
>
> Users files/settings are kept in their profile folder as usual. Have you
> ever actually used Windows?
>
>
> > > Depending on your environment you can do this one of two ways:
> > >
> > > 1) If you have Active Directory, just create a GPO containing the
Office
> > > package with the .mst transform you created earlier and assign it to
the
> > > relevant Organisational Unit.
> >
> > Why do I have to go this trouble? I thought that all I need is install
the
> > apps
> > in the file server, attach the drive to the workstation, and all users
on
> > all
> > workstations can just execute the apps. No fuss.
>
> It's hardly trouble, it takes approximately two minutes, regardless of
> whether you have 1, 10 or 10,000,000 workstations. The advantage of Active
> Directory is that you do not need to ever touch the actual workstation
> machines at all. They don't even need to be in the same country. Heck,
they
> don't even need to exist yet, they'll pick up the settings when they are
> added to the Domain.
>
> > What's so hard to do that? The point is that it is not necessary to even
> > need AD to control it, or GPO to control it. If you need to change
> > permission
> > on the file, change it on the server and all those 10000+ workstation
can
> > see
> > it right away.
> >
> > Again, you are avoiding the issues.
>
> I haven't avoided any issues. You're either misreading what I said or
really
> haven't got a clue how networked applications work on any OS.
>
>
> > > 2) Alternatively, run the msiexec utility from a startup script or
> similar
> > > method, again applying the relevant transform. Something like this
> should
> > do
> > > the trick:
> > >
> > > msiexec /i \\server\Office\office.msi
> > > TRANSFORM=\\server\Office\my_office_transform.mst /qb
> > >
> > > This will create the appropriate registry information and Windows
> > Installer
> > > shortcuts for the setup you decided upon in your Custom Installation.
If
> > you
> > > don't want the shortcuts you can always opt to omit them in your .mst
> > file,
> > > although I don't really see and advantage in that.
> >
> > Oh my! How many more step that you have to do in the workstation?
> > I thought that you want to show me that nothing has to be done on the
> > workstation,
> > period.
>
> What! That's one step. A single command. And only necessary if you aren't
> using Active Directory. How much less do you expect to do? Even a *nix
based
> OS needs one command to mount a networked application drive for crying out
> loud.
>
> > AndyC, you got to admit there are room for major overhaul of how those
> > office apps
> > run and installed.
> >
> > My point is, why can I just install the application in the file server
and
> > execute that apps
> > in the workstation network drive! Its just as easy as that.
>
> That's what I just explained (several times) how to do. Why not try
reading
> the posts instead of assuming you know better.
>
> > No administration headache.
> > Centralize apps administration
> > Patch and upgrade will be done only on the file server(instant upgrade
for
> > ALL workstation)
> > And many other ....
>
> On the contrary. It's probably the one thing that Windows simply does
better
> than any other operating system. If you really feel the need to slag it
off,
> there are plenty of areas where Unix/Linux/Mac actually have a genuine
> advantage. If you'd ever run a large scale network, you'd know this
already.
> I'm an administrator in a mixed Solaris/Linux/Mac environment, I do know
> what I'm talking about.
>
> AndyC
>
>
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