Re: DITCH THE RIBBON!

Did you actually read it or did you just look at the pretty pictures?
It says in there:
"Why measure the out-of-the-box experience? Given that fewer than 2% of Office 2003 users customize their UI according to the data reported through the Customer Experience Improvement Program, the out-of-the-box experience is the one most users will see.

Furthermore, the out-of-box-experience is the mainstream experience which paints the old UI in the most positive light, primarily because it includes only the default toolbars--not all of the other ones which regularly appear as part of using the product."

So according to the only statistical data available, >98% of all users have the out-of-the-box UI experience. I applaud you for championing the minority.

How about you stop blasting this group with your uninformed comments (Outlook has 10+ ribbons e.g., not none like you claimed) until you actually read the UI blog - and I mean READ not only looked at the pretty pictures - and played with the new ribbon UI for a few weeks. Then come back and let's have an intelligent and informed conversation on this topic in which you use a real name, email address or website like all the people replying to your posts.

Patrick Schmid
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"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message news:uoAEZ3hyGHA.4392@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

this post here is totally misleading...

http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/04/17/577485.aspx

who wrote this? This uses out of the box screenshots and not real life
screenshots...

I should make an answer page with other screenshots and graphics
explaining to you why this stupid blog post is wrong in what it defends.

clearly this person defends the ribbon because of ignorance.. or
he has a paycheck from microsoft


"Patrick Schmid" <pds-ms@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23m4oARgyGHA.4044@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>I am impressed by your knowledge. I suggest you read all of Jensen Harris
>UI blog and my own blog, and then come back here to enlighten us more.
>
> Patrick Schmid
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> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:eRXMndfyGHA.1288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>
>> The old way was horrible because nothing could be locked.. the toolbars
>> changed all the time, and there was not enough guidance on how to do
>> stuff....
>> Of course I am ignoring clippy who should be resting in peace.
>>
>> I am sure I could find a better way to do this... using technology of
>> 2006-7
>> for crying out loud!
>>
>> First of all the interface should be able to lock down, like the XP
>> taskbar...
>> second it should be completely configurable in icon size, placements and
>> movement.
>> The size of these should be SCALABLE like in ZOOM action. Having
>> increments
>> of 100% and not
>> only small - large etc. This should be done with a slider control and
>> mouse
>> wheel.
>> Also you should be able to save workspaces and retrieve the settings back
>> or
>> go back to default. Oh come on this technology has been around for
>> years..
>> look
>> at corel draw for workspaces.
>> You should be able to tear off the toolbars into ONE
>> window (the toolbars should stick with each other in a group)
>> so you can place it to another monitor for multimonitor users..
>> so you can have the first monitor full screen to write on.
>>
>> I can think of a million ways to do it better than this monstrosity.. if
>> you
>> lack imagination and eat what is
>> given to you by Microsoft.. you are in trouble! I would gladly receive a
>> check from MS if they wanted some ideas,
>> because they seem to lack all logic and ingenuity....
>>
>> There are so many people who have seen office 2007 and have said they
>> will
>> stick to 2003... its not only me.
>>
>> I am right about this. There is no question about it. The only question
>> is
>> if Microsoft will understand this blundering
>> mistake before they release office 2007 final, or they will have to fix
>> this
>> in the next version, probably 2009?
>> If they get the message loud enough they will give a way to revert back
>> to
>> office 2003 interface with SP1.
>>
>> "rocky" <rocky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:B0DCC192-E4E8-4E8E-B2B6-B464024EBB65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Please enlighten us. If you believe that the old interface was
>> > horrible
>> > and
>> > the new interface is even more horrible, show us your design that
>> > scales
>> > to
>> > the size of the resolution and that is not "horrible".
>> >
>> > "John Jay Smith" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You should be enlightened and get some better taste....
>> >>
>> >> as for blog 2, when you have higher resolutions you dont go ahead and
>> >> make
>> >> giant toolbars...
>> >> rather you make the gui so it can be customized to the size that
>> >> better
>> >> fits
>> >> you and your screen.
>> >>
>> >> BAD DESIGN! And vista is the same crappy design.... and IE7 and WMP11!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "rocky" <rocky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:A554CA98-C76E-4DCB-A70D-7C57585245DB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Read the following articles and be enlightened!
>> >> >
>> >> > The following article talks about how the size of the ribbon is
>> >> > about
>> >> > the
>> >> > same as the size of the combined size of the toolbars in previous
>> >> > versions
>> >> > of
>> >> > Office:
>> >> > http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/04/17/577485.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> > The following article talks about Fitts' Law and explains how the
>> >> > size
>> >> > of
>> >> > buttons needs to be increased because screen resolutions have
>> >> > increased:
>> >> > http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/08/22/711808.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> > The following article talks about the customisation of ribbon and
>> >> > how
>> >> > only
>> >> > 2% of users customised the toolbars in previous versions of Office:
>> >> > http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/06/27/648269.aspx
>> >> >
>> >> > "John Jay Smith" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> hularious comments from the cnet site... humour reveals the
>> >> >> truth!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Billion dollar company can't figure out if a ribbon bar is too big
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Reader post by: bobby_brady
>> >> >> Posted on: August 25, 2006, 10:27 AM PDT
>> >> >> Story: Microsoft rolls up Office ribbon
>> >> >> Man, it really took beta testers to complain to them that the
>> >> >> ribbon
>> >> >> bar
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> too big? Doesn't Microsoft actually use their own products?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can't they say something like "geez boss, this ribbon bar is too
>> >> >> big,
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> should make it smaller, eh boss"?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://news.com.com/5208-1012-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=20550&messageID=177937&start=-1
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:uWxBESWyGHA.2208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > again and again I have criticized how horrible the ribbon is...
>> >> >> > at
>> >> >> > least
>> >> >> > some very
>> >> >> > small steps are being made but Microsoft to make it less
>> >> >> > intrusive........
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://news.com.com/Microsoft+rolls+up+Office+ribbon/2100-1012_3-6109590.html?tag=nefd.top
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dont worry... they will have to improve it, make it an "option"
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > remove
>> >> >> > the damn monstrosity
>> >> >> > after they see the sales of office 2007 slump....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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