Re: DITCH THE RIBBON!



I am afraid you are .... spitting... into the wind. There are thousands if
not hundreds of thousands of contrary opinions - why yours should matter
more than the rest is beyond me.

As for MVPs not using the same software and interface, where in the heck did
you ever get that idea - oh, never mind, I forgot your rant and the numerous
incorrect points in it, so I guess I should not be surprised.


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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, John Jay Smith asked:

| you do not understand. I am a person who welcomes change...
| once I see something new that is better, I have no problem
| thowing out the old ways and habits and using the new.
| I welcome and am looking for new things.
|
| But they have to be better. The office UI is not better, its worse.
| And a trillion times worse than it could have been.
|
| "Beth Melton" <bmelton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:uQWuZrgyGHA.3464@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|| You might be surprised at how the Office 2007 UI accommodates a lot
|| of what you listed. As Patrick suggested, read Jensen's blog. He
|| shares a lot of insight on the new UI and the "why" behind it.
||
|| FWIW, I was singing a similar tune about a year or so ago. Now I
|| think it was due to lack of knowledge. I *knew" the old UI with my
|| eyes closed and felt like complete newbies trying to use Office
|| 2007. All my years of learning the Office applications, I started
|| using Excel around 1985, was now worthless. It felt like I was
|| learning to walk all over again and actually, I completely
|| understand your whining because I was right there with you not too
|| long ago.
||
|| I started using Office 2007 more and more because I love some of
|| the new features, document themes which give you the ability to not
|| only change the format and overall look of an Office document in
|| seconds but to also include formatting for content you haven't even
|| added yet, such as pasting data from Excel in Word and have it
|| formatted to match my other tables in about two clicks: one for
|| paste and one for applying the format. I ability to just adding data
|| and not spending a bunch of time reformatting the darn thing is a
|| good thing for me. (This allows me more time to search for some of
|| the commands I can't seem to find. lol)
||
|| The new graphic effects and SmartArt are fantastic, insert an image
|| and experiment with some of the picture styles - those are pretty
|| awesome. And the galleries with the live preview - I like being able
|| to preview a format quickly and not repeatedly apply different
|| formatting over and over until I find what I'm looking for. Some of
|| my favorite new features are in Outlook, the new ability to overlay
|| multiple calendars and the instant search is *very* cool!
||
|| But if I want the new functionality I also need to adapt to the new
|| UI so I'm slowly making the compromise. I know this sounds like a
|| sales pitch, but believe me and there are others who will attest to
|| this, I was one of the first on the "this bites" band wagon and I'm
|| pretty sure there a few folks who are surprised to actually hear me
|| singing praises for once. <grin>
||
|| I still have my moments and want my old 'familiar' UI back but like
|| I said before, is it worth trading the new functionality? So the
|| more I use it the more I adjust.
||
|| What I recommend to those who hate the new UI, is to play around
|| with it for awhile and check out the new features and do a little
|| reading to get a better understanding for why they changed the UI.
|| Jensen Harris has a great series on this topic (if you only want to
|| read one the second link has a the best explanation):
|| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/09/26/473950.aspx
|| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/10/03/476412.aspx
|| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/10/10/479123.aspx
|| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/10/17/481809.aspx
|| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/10/24/484131.aspx
||
|| You can find more information on the Office preview site and the
|| Communities link has links to other blogs and articles:
|| http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/articles.mspx
||
|| Then, if the new functionally doesn't encourage you want to learn
|| Office 2007 then by all means, uninstall the beta and go back to
|| your old version.
||
|| Oh, and you may be happy to know Clippy, and all of his buddies, are
|| dead. ;-)
||
|| Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
|| assistance by email can not be acknowledged.
||
|| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|| Beth Melton
|| Microsoft Office MVP
||
|| Office 2007 Preview Site:
|| http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
|| Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
|| http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx
||
|| TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
|| MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
||
|| "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
|| news:eRXMndfyGHA.1288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
||| The old way was horrible because nothing could be locked.. the
||| toolbars changed all the time, and there was not enough guidance on
||| how to do stuff....
||| Of course I am ignoring clippy who should be resting in peace.
|||
||| I am sure I could find a better way to do this... using technology
||| of 2006-7 for crying out loud!
|||
||| First of all the interface should be able to lock down, like the XP
||| taskbar...
||| second it should be completely configurable in icon size,
||| placements and movement.
||| The size of these should be SCALABLE like in ZOOM action. Having
||| increments of 100% and not
||| only small - large etc. This should be done with a slider control
||| and mouse wheel.
||| Also you should be able to save workspaces and retrieve the
||| settings back or
||| go back to default. Oh come on this technology has been around for
||| years.. look
||| at corel draw for workspaces.
||| You should be able to tear off the toolbars into ONE
||| window (the toolbars should stick with each other in a group)
||| so you can place it to another monitor for multimonitor users..
||| so you can have the first monitor full screen to write on.
|||
||| I can think of a million ways to do it better than this
||| monstrosity.. if you lack imagination and eat what is
||| given to you by Microsoft.. you are in trouble! I would gladly
||| receive a check from MS if they wanted some ideas,
||| because they seem to lack all logic and ingenuity....
|||
||| There are so many people who have seen office 2007 and have said
||| they will stick to 2003... its not only me.
|||
||| I am right about this. There is no question about it. The only
||| question is if Microsoft will understand this blundering
||| mistake before they release office 2007 final, or they will have to
||| fix this in the next version, probably 2009?
||| If they get the message loud enough they will give a way to revert
||| back to office 2003 interface with SP1.
|||
||| "rocky" <rocky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||| news:B0DCC192-E4E8-4E8E-B2B6-B464024EBB65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||| Please enlighten us. If you believe that the old interface was
|||| horrible and
|||| the new interface is even more horrible, show us your design that
|||| scales to
|||| the size of the resolution and that is not "horrible".
||||
|||| "John Jay Smith" wrote:
||||
||||| You should be enlightened and get some better taste....
|||||
||||| as for blog 2, when you have higher resolutions you dont go ahead
||||| and make
||||| giant toolbars...
||||| rather you make the gui so it can be customized to the size that
||||| better fits
||||| you and your screen.
|||||
||||| BAD DESIGN! And vista is the same crappy design.... and IE7 and
||||| WMP11!
|||||
|||||
||||| "rocky" <rocky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
||||| news:A554CA98-C76E-4DCB-A70D-7C57585245DB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||| Read the following articles and be enlightened!
||||||
|||||| The following article talks about how the size of the ribbon is
|||||| about the
|||||| same as the size of the combined size of the toolbars in previous
|||||| versions
|||||| of
|||||| Office:
|||||| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/04/17/577485.aspx
||||||
|||||| The following article talks about Fitts' Law and explains how the
|||||| size of
|||||| buttons needs to be increased because screen resolutions have
|||||| increased:
|||||| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/08/22/711808.aspx
||||||
|||||| The following article talks about the customisation of ribbon
|||||| and how only
|||||| 2% of users customised the toolbars in previous versions of
|||||| Office:
|||||| http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/06/27/648269.aspx
||||||
|||||| "John Jay Smith" wrote:
||||||
||||||| hularious comments from the cnet site... humour reveals the
||||||| truth!!!
|||||||
|||||||
||||||| Billion dollar company can't figure out if a ribbon bar is too
||||||| big
|||||||
||||||| Reader post by: bobby_brady
||||||| Posted on: August 25, 2006, 10:27 AM PDT
||||||| Story: Microsoft rolls up Office ribbon
||||||| Man, it really took beta testers to complain to them that the
||||||| ribbon bar
||||||| is
||||||| too big? Doesn't Microsoft actually use their own products?
|||||||
||||||| Can't they say something like "geez boss, this ribbon bar is too
||||||| big, we
||||||| should make it smaller, eh boss"?
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http://news.com.com/5208-1012-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=20550&messageID=177937&start=-1
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||||||| "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
||||||| news:uWxBESWyGHA.2208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|||||||| again and again I have criticized how horrible the ribbon
|||||||| is... at least
|||||||| some very
|||||||| small steps are being made but Microsoft to make it less
|||||||| intrusive........
||||||||
||||||||
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+rolls+up+Office+ribbon/2100-1012_3-6109590.html?tag=nefd.top
||||||||
|||||||| Dont worry... they will have to improve it, make it an
|||||||| "option" or remove
|||||||| the damn monstrosity
|||||||| after they see the sales of office 2007 slump....


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