Re: VB .net - A question for Microsoft Moderators...

From: Soli3d (Soli3d_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 01/30/05 

Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:45:02 -0800

> Despite all the above, people like me aren't given Visual Studio we have to
> survive with IDE of MS office Apps. So my initial gripe was that even if I
> wanted to learn VB.net I can't because it isn't made available to me

http://www.editpadpro.com/editcsharp.html#tools

Will get you started, download of .net Framework
is free. You can even use just a basic text editor
but the link has support for C# and other languages.

Also, Microsoft offers Express versions of all Net
Languages for free. Nice learning tool.

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/

gl
Paul

"Andrew The Marginalised Accountant" wrote:

> Agree with most of what everyone has said but it doesn't address the problem
> that not all VB6/VBA programmers have the luxury of Visual studio proper.
> Some System Accountants like myself have huge amounts of legacy database and
> spread*** applications to maintain using any combination ADO, DAO, SQL and
> VBA written by successive people who have been in the role. Sometimes some
> accounting applications are very lacking in reports and are managed using MS
> Access.
>
> Despite all the above, people like me aren't given Visual Studio we have to
> survive with IDE of MS office Apps. So my initial gripe was that even if I
> wanted to learn VB.net I can't because it isn't made available to me. My
> other gripe is a lot of people seem to think that all programmers are members
> of the IT department. Not true either. This is obviously why Microsoft
> peddles .Net office programming as a Visual Studio Add-on - but it's plain
> ignorant to think MS office programmers are all strict IT people.
>
> I want to learn .Net and I don't care if VBA is around for 5 or 10 years. I
> still have 20 years before my retirement so I have to keep up to date for the
> time being. Microsoft is abandonning those VBA programmers who only have the
> office IDE as their staple programming tools and insulting them as if they
> were lower class citizens to my way of thinking.
>
> I'd be happy to fork out for .Net privately but I'm not the person I need to
> convince - it's the employers who dictate what tools are given to their
> programmers in the work environment.
>
> That's enough of a screed from me for now :-)
>
>
>
> "Jim Vierra" wrote:
>
> > As a consultant I get to pick my employer. I act as a consultant and
> > advise. I will not do something that makes no sense and I will not maintain
> > code that should be replaced. I will however go in and fix simple things
> > when the business need is clear and can justify my price. I very often tell
> > clients to move to off-the-shelf solutions when it will clearly improve
> > their operation and reduce costs. Outside of large corporate environments
> > there is usually little need for highly customized solutions. My experience
> > in large corps is that projects grow as big as the staff. As soon as
> > somebody does a headcount the demand for customization all but disappears.
> > The better corps. have good architecture and infrastructure engineering
> > teams that are now improving the IT efficiency. For highly specialized
> > deployments high level consultants are brought in to work with the internal
> > teams. In thes environment VB, more and more, has become a utility and
> > maintenance tool. Web Services and modern databases are doing more of the
> > business work along with many middle tier comopnents. Microsofts InfoPath
> > was probably built to address this. It decouples the data entry layer from
> > the busines and data layers with an MS Office based tool that, if properly
> > deployed, can eliminate error.
> >
> > There will always be a need for us old timers as this environment will not
> > shrtly be able to solve all problems. VB6 will be arounf for about another
> > 5 years. Hell - If I have it installed on an old machine in 10 years I
> > might still use it. It's a great little scripting engine. Good editor too.
> > And it doesn't completely clog up the disk drive of a laptop. VB.NET won't
> > fit on my old laptop. Well - it fits but it maxes memory.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Vierra 661815
> > "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:%23j07%23kLBFHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > Jim Vierra wrote:
> > >> The current truth is, from attending VBUG meetings, most VB
> > >> programmers are more than satisified with VB.NET. They may be more
> > >> excited by it than anyone else.
> > >
> > > Read what Jonathan said, over and over if necessary, until you understand
> > > that the
> > > issue is application *owners* much more so than *coders*. If you say,
> > > "well, that
> > > doesn't apply to me!", then consider exactly who it is that's paying for
> > > your time.
> > > You very well may fool her/him into paying you to do your own work over
> > > again once,
> > > but do you really think they'll fall for that again? That is the history
> > > that is now
> > > firmly established with Microsoft BASIC. You are on notice.
> > > --
> > > [Microsoft Basic: 1976-2001, RIP]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >

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