Re: WMP 11 Media Sharing Issue


"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:


"Dale" <dale0973@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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You have posted over and over again that media sharing is not supported in
XP
and that there is some unnamed functionality missing in the networking
services of XP.

No. I just checked every post I've made in the past month (I still love
deja.com), which wasn't tough because there's only a handful.


You must really be making this up as you go along. Here's a quote from you
in another thread:

"PC-to-PC isn't supported on XP: I don't believe you could make it work.
Even if there was some magic 'on' switch it wouldn't work properly because
the underlying XP networking support doesn't fully support what WMP needs
here."

You never did respond to my reply asking what exactly was missing in the
underlying XP network support.

When I said that we agreed that there were no technical limitations that
prevented media sharing in XP, you said no, we don't agree.

That wasn't even the question. Here's the excerpt you are presumably
refering to, with your question and my response:
==How to Share WMP11 to WMP11?, Mon Jan 15==
Then we're in agreement, there's no technical reason why sharing cannot
happen between WMP 11 on Vista and WMP 11 on XP. It was a marketing
decision.

I don't agree with that. *shrug* As stated, XP didn't fully support the
code. Sucked. Let's move on.
===

The question had kind of morphed from PC-to-PC sharing - my initial and
exact statement that you were following up on was "PC-to-PC isn't supported
on XP" in exact response to an XP-to-XP sharing scenario - to the above
ghoulash question that didn't make the most sense to me as a discrete
statement/question.

.... That whole "Sharing" button on WMP's Tools:Options:Library dialog must
have been really puzzling. =)

You're correct. I am confused but only because you're talking gibberish and
avoiding the question. Is there, or is there not a technical reason why
sharing between two XP PCs cannot be done? If there is one, can you fill us
in on the details? You clearly stated it cannot be done and yet you point to
the Sharing button on WMP Tools:Options:Library dialog. No wonder I am
confused.


I am just responding based on what you told me.

No, you are not, and this is a pretty good example of either some lack of
technical understanding or comprehension to the point where your references
seem confused or flat wrong.

If you're arguing in those
other posts just for the sake of arguing, Zach, you're not doing anyone
any
good. Please try to be consistent in your responses in the future. It
would
help us all.

Oh, I quite agree that me correcting misinterpretations doesn't do anyone
much good and detracts from positive things I could be doing. It might be
best for all involved if you started speaking exclusively from your own
knowledge. You do not seem to have an effective comprehension of most of my
statements, which means that you may be wasting time you could be using for
more far interesting hobbies or being involved in positive and constructive
activities. Every minute spent trying to untangle whatever weird
relationship you think we have is minutes I typically would use to help
reams of people.

We have no relationship at all. Remember this all started when I posted a
compliment about your service to the newsgroup for which you promptly flamed
me.

It's boring, it's off-topic, it's destructive, but ... it
takes all types. My mom would make sure I offered you home-baked pie
anyways. =)

I'll make you a deal. You just leave my album art alone and, no disprespect
for your mom, you can keep the pie for yourself.


My statement wasn't political, against you, or anything of the sort. I have
no feelings for you in any direction - I have no idea why you're here given
your sentiments, but... party on.

I am here for several reasons.

1. What brought me here in the first place was in the hopes of finding a
way to keep WMP 11 from destroying many hours worth of work scanning every CD
cover I have and editing, cropping, and resizing them to the size I wanted in
my library (480x480). I still haven't found a way to do that: keep WMP 11
from destroying that work.

2. When I got here, I found that I had something to offer. Check the
number of answered questions. Not the number where the OP clicked yes, but
the actual number of answered questions. For whatever reason, in this
newsgroup the MVP doesn't mark anyone elses responses as being the answer to
a question.

3. I found there was a lot of untruth and misinformation going on in the
group. I have stayed to report that misinformation in the hopes of
increasing public awareness and increasing the roar until, hopefully, the
Windows Media Player product team hears us all and changes some of the worst
of WMP 11. I am not the only one with the views I have. Look at the number
of posts about rolling back to previous versions. I am just the only one who
cares about WMP enough to stick with it.

4. There is no alternative means by which I can provide feedback to the
Microsoft Windows Media Player product team. If there were, I would cease
and desist on my complaints. It is not my expectation that your team develop
WMP to meet my requirements. It is my expectation, as a paying customer many
times over, that your team give real consideration to what I have to say
about the product I am paying you for.

You simply posted something that was
wrong (it happens!) and confused the original poster, and Garcin correctly
pointed out that your statement was wrong. If I posted something as weirdly
wrong as that, I would expect people to be confused too. It's nothing
personal. Move on.


Can we just clarify that you really are massively counter-productive through
misinterpreting, misreferencing, and/or attacking me? (The f8 thing was
weird...)

The F8 thing was one of several examples in the post where I originally
mentioned it. You had stated that the reason for the 200x200 pixel album art
limitation was compatiability with devices because Microsoft had, somewhere
in the past, posted that such a limition would exist. You only replied to
the F8 issue and stated you only use F7, F8, and F9 and had no idea what I
was referring to with F8. You obviously knew what F8, F9, and F10 did
previously or you wouldn't have made the instant association to F7, F8 and
F9. On top of that, I have posted complaints about the change in behavior
many timesThen you denied ever using function keys and didn't know what any
of them were.

Of course, the real issue here, even though you keep pointing to the F8 key,
is that the Windows Media Player product team has changed many features that
broke other software or hardware. It is expected that they would as a
program evolves. The problem is that you and your team will not address the
real issue of why the 200x200 pixel limitation exists. Don't say
compatibility with some unnamed and indeterminate devices. There are plenty
of devices and hardware that broke with WMP 11. Your whole focus on F8 is
only a way to avoid the real issue.

I've had some limited down-time and I've dedicated it to stuff
you would probably be excited about. If you're really here because you care
about Windows Media Player in some fashion, you would really really be
better served by just chilling.

Windows Media Player version 11.5? I sure hope so.

Give it a couple months and then have at if
you must. I had a decision in December where I could use vacation time
(that was due to expire) or I could continue to work on pet projects that
would have been a joy/relief to most (given what I've tracked from public
feedback), and your antagonism was really the deciding factor that had me go
on vacation instead.

I feel amazingly powerful in your life. That means that you see my
complaints as signficant issues. Otherwise, you'd write me off as a troll
and ignore me.


I'm interested in multimedia and Windows Media Player and it ends there.

Me too. I spend most of my time on the PC. It's what I love doing. I
spend most of my non-working time in and around Windows Media Player. If
you're thinking that I should just consider a different player, just think of
it from my perspective:

Billions of people have already purchased Windows Media Player. Virtually
every copy of Windows produced in 10 years has already included it. The
result is that there is no market for a different, even if better, player.
All those others that people try to sway WMP users to use are useless. There
will never be enough of a potential market to get a real alternative into the
market.

I would much more prefer to see your team provide real communications to
users about why certain performance and quality restrictions have been built
into WMP. I would prefer to see your team provide a mechanism by which users
could provide feedback and bug reports. I would rather be on the Windows
Media Player bandwagon as I am with virtually every other facet of
Microsoft's business.

Newsgroups fall under the Microsoft defined category of "Community". It
appears that the Windows Media Player product team thinks that newsgroups
fall under the category of mind-numb puppets or a fan club. Community has to
have communications and that communication has to go both ways. In most
other products there is a mechanism for feedback to Microsoft.

As much as you keep saying that the newsgroup is not an appropriate means
for communicating with the product team, I disagree. Microsoft disagrees.
Many newsgroups have the "Suggestion for Microsoft" feedback tool built into
the web reader. At one point, I considered the idea that perhaps the Windows
Media Player user community was just too large for such an open feedback
mechanism but then I realized that Internet Explorer product team, the
Windows XP product team, and the Windows Vista product team all allow user
feedback from within the newsgroups. Each of those communities are (well
Vista isn't yet but will be in a couple months) much larger and more vocal
than the Windows Media Player communities. It seems that you're the only
group who claims that newsgroups are not an appropriate feedback mechanism.
That is absolutely your own statement and not Microsoft's view.

This is all about customer service, Zach. I am (and many others here are)
the customer. The Windows Media Player product team just isn't holding up
their end of that equation. There is no customer service.


If
you have some personal concerns, those could and should be handled outside
of the bounds of a newsgroup. I personally wish you the best in your
endeavors.

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

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