Re: WMP11 on XP - Library tags for Videos: Actors, Studio, Directo

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Huh? Can you repeat any of that in plain language? That is the most
nonsensical reply I have seen from you yet. I rip it to shreds in-line below.

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Dale Preston
MCAD C#
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"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:


"Dale" <dale0973@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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You would "certainly" think that the WMP product managers read and react
to
good feedback like Mike's. Unfortunately, the Windows Media Player
product
team has chosen not to participate in the Windows Media Player community
and
does not monitor or respond to suggestions from Windows Media Player
users.

Potentially as regards the newsgroups, but they actually do a lot of work
and customer interaction in other arenas. The public newsgroups just are
not a cohesive way to maintain community relationships. They've been here
and done that, and it wasn't really an effective communication channel for
them.

Feel free to name one of those other arenas. I would be happy to consider
moving my efforts to those arenas.

So, while the rest of Microsoft pushes newsgroups as community, you're
saying that the Windows Media Player product team has no regard for the
community that Microsoft has promoted? You're saying that the Windows Media
Player product team considers all of us here as not worth their time or
trouble. I got it, now, Zach. Thanks for clearing that up.



(If you track it over time, you'll find that most every VP or GM from the
player team has actually participated here over time. But it just isn't
really effective. A current VP still has a very visible presence externally
on some technology-oriented moderated forums, and our hero Alex is also
pretty visible and probably provides the most community-value-per-pound of
anyone around that I've seen.)

Please share.


There's people and teams interested in making the newsgroups a viable
communication channel, but it's just not effective enough right now.
There's no possible way that makes you sadder than it makes me. I would
love for that not to be the case. =)

Apparently you need to talk to the Internet Explorer team, the Windows XP
team, the Windows Vista team, and the Microsoft Office team. All of those
teams participate in the newsgroups and take suggestions from their
users/communities via the newsgroups. If I am not mistaken, Windows Media
Player is still classified as an integral part of Windows so your parent org
disagrees with you. All of these much bigger communities find newsgroups a
useful tool for their communities. Do you know more than all of them?

I have stated this many times. You, as usual, choose to ignore the facts
and respond by rambling meaninglessly.



For instance, Windows Media Player reduces all album art to 200x200
pixels.

That's more a factor of finite resources for infinite possibilities, as
opposed to anything else. If you shirk off playback pipeline issues in
favor of what boils down to Pretty (if awesome), that will impair you more
further down the line than vice versa.

You have got to be kidding. Shirk off playback pipeline issues in favor of
"Pretty"? What do you think WMP 11 was about? Nothing but Pretty... oh..
and DRM. It took more work to make sure that album art was always 200x200
than it did to not make it 200x200. WMP 11 reduces album art size in many
more ways and places than WMP 10 did. Work was put in to limiting the size
rather than work saved by not enlarging the size. You should listen to
yourself sometimes, Zach. The things that come from your fingers are not
even possible.

There really are only so many great
people available for what amounts to potentially infinite work hours. If
you want to envision WMP with some better Album Art solution, you have to
envision it correspondingly with those exact dev and test hours taken away
from some other aspect of the product. There was a really really clear
choice here. =\

Well, those dev and test hours could have come from the list grouping.
That's for sure. But, in reality, let's think about this, Zach.
"Potentially infinite work hours"? Just to allow larger art? I have built
many many Windows applications. Centering a larger image in a window and
sizing that image to fill a fixed percentage of the window is pretty routine
and simple stuff - whether that image is 200x200 or 4,000 x 4000 (though not
even I would recommend users using album art that size, there is no reason it
couldn't be done).

All of that said, last week's answer was that there was a technical
limitation based on compatibility with some unidentified and possibly
antiquated portable device. Now, this week, the answer is lack of resources.
Have you come up with next week's answer? As I have shown, neither reply is
defensible:

1. You still have not named the device and the art is easily resized
for the device when, and if, it is used with WMP.

2. Windows Media Player 11 is more restrictive than was Windows Media
Player 10 for album art. All custom art is always resized regardless of
Internet connection and any time you add embedded art using the Advanced Tag
Editor in WMP 11 that art is reduced. For no work at all, you could have
left it as it was in WMP 10. Extra work was put into further enforcing the
limitation. The limitation exists for reasons other than technical or
resources.

Just the fact that you keep changing your answers shows you're simply
arguing for argument's sake. Either you have no idea of what you're talking
or you can not/will not speak the truth. It is better to truthfully say that
you can't say than to get caught so many times telling different stories,
Zach.


Album Art is a great and fascinating area that definitely deserves
revisiting. =)

You're right, it does deserve revisiting. First, it deserves an honest
response from the Windows Media Player product group as to why it is what it
is. Then it deserves honest consideration for what I, and several others,
have asked for. And if, finally, all of our wants are rejected then that is
ok. Just give an honest answer as to why and quit making up the excuses on
the fly.


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