Re: Total Time in List Pane - Where did it go?
- From: "Dale" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:21:08 -0600
I agree except for two points.
First, I don't think it is necessary that WMP be WME (Windows Media Editor). That's a production function while playing can be construed to be a legitimate operating system role - or at least it has been construed that way by the United States Department of Justice even if not by the EU.
Second, I would prefer that WMP simply block Rap and Hip-Hop altogether. :)
Dale
"Crispy983" <Crispy983@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:C8E95D8F-3B15-4DFC-AE61-1F9DCB6EFEEF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
An Overwhelming player???? Drag and drop, auto sort/drag to sort features,
control over options, control over columns and order by clicking on up or
down, these are overwhelming features? What I do find overwhelming is WMP
take over of your files and removing your control. I had a song that kept
getting renamed the wrong title and album even though I went through windows
explorer, right clicked the file, went to properties, and manually corrected
the mp3 tag, only to have WMP change it back, untill I turned off all
connections to the net. Also, I've done a little work with a DJing program
that lets you have a whole lot more options and gives you a whole lot more
info than WMP. Such as not only how long the playlist is but what time it
will stop playing. Or the fact that if the Genre on the mp3 tag is Rap, Hip
Hop it will actually count the song as having two genres instead of creating
a new one. It will also allow you to edit the song (as in removing voice
intros or endless endings). I don't know about the other guy that said WMP
is an overwhelming player but I don't consider have complete and absolute
control over your files overwhelming. What I do find overwhelming is the fact
that microsoft products take control of your stuff vs giving you the control
and giving you the tools to control your stuff (pc, files ect ect.)
"Ryan" wrote:
Zach,
I do appreciate your comments. May I respond for us "power users."
> That counts as clutter, actually, and is fairly expensive. "One More
> Click", "One More Checkbox", etc were all explicitly called out as Not > Hip /
> Not Smart ways to do things.
One more click or checkbox that you can only access by going into the Tools
> Options is definitely not "clutter" because you cannot see it unless > you
want to change it. This is feature rich and customizable, which is what
everybody wants. You can leave it at the default by leaving it out for your
general audience who doesn't care. But for those other 50% that like the
ability to customize things to their own liking and are use to something
being there in a previous version, if you take it out, at least provide the
ability to put it back.
This is how good developers do it. If you have a massive audience using your
software and you have a feature as such, chances are some will like the
feature, so when you update it and take a feature out, you better sure
provide a way to put it back, because some use it and actually find
other/better usages for the feature than a developer would even imagine. I
know this as a .NET web developer because when I change something in one of
my websites, customers go crazy if I take out the smallest thing.
Taking this feature out does, like you said, "sacrifice power user features."
How unfortunate!
> On the far right pane you do need to do the
> "stop playlist, time shows up at top" step.
Right. How inconvenient is that?!
I was noticing the vast amount of free real estate to the right of the
volume control when in full mode, opposite where the individual track time is
played. This looks like such a nice area to put the total playlist time. And
how it would be so nice to go to Tools > Options and check, "Display Total
Playlist Time" so us power users can see that one line, saying "Total Time:
HH:MM:SS" and "clutter up our UI".
=) at my writing
=( at Microsoft WMP11 developers
- Ryan
"zachd [ms]" wrote:
>
> "Ryan" <Ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:08B6A698-BD14-4C9E-8D4B-C1BBBBB3F70B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Even more so, if M$ thought that adding the Total Time was cluttering > > the
> > UI,
> > at least provide the option to check off a box in the WMP tools and
> > options
> > where we could do this.
>
> That counts as clutter, actually, and is fairly expensive. "One More
> Click", "One More Checkbox", etc were all explicitly called out as Not > Hip /
> Not Smart ways to do things.
>
> > This - this is the smart way to do it. And this is smart programming > > and a
> > smart UI.
>
> There's some pretty great/interesting people working on those things. > If
> you think you can code or design better, apply - the quality tide is > lifted
> as more people working at whatever company produce better designs.
>
> > I also see that this was discussed in WMP11 beta, but not implemented > > when
> > requested. I find this very disappointing.
>
> There were clear decisions made to sacrifice power user features as > part of
> the need to simplify an overwhelming player. You can disagree, but > making
> those tough decisions is what those people were paid to do. I might
> disagree too, but I do respect their end goal. Clearly the need for > this
> data was not the 50%+ case for the gazillion users. Clearly adding > another
> checkbox ... adds another checkbox.
>
> I think I understand our disconnect: you're trying to get playlist > total
> length. The "select the content, time shows up" trick only works in > the
> Library pane, not the Now Doing (rightmost) pane. On the far right > pane you
> do need to do the "stop playlist, time shows up at top" step.
>
> -- > Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no > rights.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "zachd [ms]" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> To get a tally of the number of songs and their time, select them. > >> That
> >> tally will show up in the chrome briefly. Or hover the mouse over > >> the
> >> "Now
> >> Doing" region, which is the region above the playlist. No need to > >> stop
> >> the
> >> playlist.
> >>
> >> Or switch to the Burn pane. Build your playlist there. A gas gauge > >> top
> >> right shows you your status relative to space on media.
> >>
> >> That's the Hip and Smart way to do it: you show it when's needed or
> >> invoked,
> >> per the methods above, and don't add UI clutter when it's not > >> essential.
> >>
> >> -- > >> Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
> >> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >> --
> >>
> >> "Ryan" <Ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:48E1DED3-9E68-4D70-99B7-57ECE6815358@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Where is the "Total Time" information in the List Pane when > >> > viewing the
> >> > Now
> >> > Playing tab?
> >> >
> >> > When throwing my music together (I use Windows Explorer and drag > >> > files
> >> > to
> >> > the Now Playing List Pane, like 90% of the people out there...and > >> > who
> >> > uses
> >> > the highly cumbersome "Library" and rates their music anyway?), am > >> > I
> >> > supposed
> >> > to pull out a calculator (and do "hour/minute/second" calculations > >> > at
> >> > that)
> >> > so I can figure out if my song list will fit on a CD?
> >> >
> >> > This feature was overlooked for WMP11. Highly overlooked. I've > >> > read
> >> > some
> >> > previous posts regarding this feature, and this tidbit of info is
> >> > definitely
> >> > not "information overload," nor is it difficult to add it into the > >> > GUI.
> >> >
> >> > Where is the reg hack for this? Is there one? When will an update > >> > for
> >> > WMP11
> >> > correct this?
> >> >
> >> > WMP10 was great. And simple:
> >> > You add songs.
> >> > You can tell how long your Total Time for the list was.
> >> > Once you find the right length, you:
> >> > 1) say, "yep, that will fit on a CD" and burn an audio CD
> >> > or
> >> > 2) say, "yep, that is perfect for my 30 minute workout to load > >> > this
> >> > playlist
> >> > my mp3 player" and move the playlist over.
> >> >
> >> > But now? Don't think so. We have to bust out our calculators. How > >> > so
> >> > fitting
> >> > for the image of Microsoft displayed in the Apple vs. Microsoft
> >> > commercials
> >> > being aired right now. Apple is not only "hip," but smart.
> >> >
> >> > Come on product team.
> >> > This feature was overlooked for WMP11.
> >> >
> >> > Any help on getting it back for WMP11 would be appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > - Ryan
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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