Re: Problems on Opening RTF Files/ How to Set Input Encodings

John McGhie wrote:
Phillip:

I HAVE read all that stuff. You seem to be missing a couple of small but
really, very important, points...

1) Microsoft's OOXML complies EXACTLY with the W3C World XML standard.

2) The XML standard says "you can put anything you like in there, provided
you code it right." It's a coding language, Phillip. It specifies how the
code must be written; it makes no comment at all about what you might want
to write ABOUT.

3) The "World Standard" for encoding a "Microsoft" document, can only be
written by "Microsoft", wouldn't you think? Perhaps you are wanting IBM to
write the file format specification for Microsoft? How likely do you think
that would be?

Please try and understand this, old heart. You're making an awful spectacle
of yourself :-) XML is a "language". You can use it to say "anything you
like".

OOXML is perfectly valid, well-formed XML.

ODF is also XML. Also perfectly valid. But it's a cut-down and simplified
vocabulary, intended for describing simple "lowest common-denominator"
documents. It doesn't have the power to describe complex documents. They
could add that, but then they would crash all their simple ODF applications,
so better not...

Sling off at Microsoft, by all means. But when you're accusing THEM of
doing the wrong thing, make sure that you are NOT doing that also :-)

Cheers


On 2/04/08 3:38 AM, in article ueueiNClIHA.1164@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"Phillip Jones" <pjones1@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Read this:

http://news.zdnet.com/2424-3515_22-194774.html?tag=nl.e550

some what proves my point. Rather than Microsoft fixing the problems
with the OOXLM Standard to comply to world standards. It seems MS is
going on a campaign of twist arms and bending legs to have the world
settle on *their* Standards. similar article on cNet news.

You can believe the line MS gives you or not.

This article has nothing to do with Apple but with MS and its practices.

Its noted there was 17 MS employees there to Shepard the standards through.

As for making money now if they were play nicer it would cost the BOD's
perhaps 50 cent at the end of the Day.

Sure its the object for companies to Make Profit for themselves, and
the BOD's but there is a difference between making a decent profit for
everyone. And quite another to make obscene amounts of profit just to
put other out business.

as *Wall Street's Gorden Gekko" played by Michael Douglas says. *Greed
is a Good thing*. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Gekko

John McGhie wrote:
Hi Phillip:

Where DO you get this stuff from?? I'd leave the drugs alone, if I were
you, you're showing signs of a Reality Distortion Field :-)

On 1/04/08 12:33 AM, in article #WyZwB0kIHA.464@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"Phillip Jones" <pjones1@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

How there any fairness in that. Fairness is the furthest
thing from MS's mind. Its power and empowerment they want.
Phillip, in case the point has escaped you, may I gently point out that both
Apple and Microsoft are publicly-listed American corporations. Their boards
of directors are required to 'maximise their profits'. They would be sent
to jail if they did not do this.

There hasn't been a Fair bone in MS body since it came in to existence.
This is not a game of cricket: this is 'business'. Microsoft has a job to
do: it has to win. Any way that's legal.

There are a bunch of people out there making software and giving it away for
free. I am sure they get lots of warm fuzzies from that. But it does not
fund a development budget.

If they want to compete, that's fine. But expecting their competitors to
lie down and die without a battle is childish.

Furthermore - Ms version of ODF is proprietary. They don't want anyone
else to be able to provide it.
Phillip, have you actually read the Microsoft OOXML standard? It's an ECMA
standard, published for free on the World Wide Web. Here you are: download
it yourself: http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm

IF they were they would have used a Standard non proprietary version.
Ummm... They submitted it for acceptance as a standard. They published the
thing on the web! Whaddaya want? They should sent it to everyone in the
world in the post? I don't think it's POSSIBLE to be less proprietary than
publishing the thing on the Web!

They would have used ODF if it had been capable of doing the job. It isn't.
It lacks the strength to describe a Microsoft Office Document.

And I think you're maybe missing the whole "point" of XML. The 'X' in XML
stands for "extensible". The whole point is that a user can add stuff to it
to describe whatever they need. That's why the standard was invented.

No argument on this point. But when the playing field ain't level to
begin with, how are they supposed to even catch up.
Exactly the same way Microsoft did. You seem to 'forget' that when
Microsoft started, it was two guys in a University dormitory. There was
this massive behemoth named "International Business Machine Corporation"
(IBM, to you and I...) that was determined to laugh Microsoft out of town.

Business is a contact sort, Phillip. People get hurt. The strong survive.
Apple very nearly didn't. Nobody has ever accused Steve Jobs of being
over-endowed with tact and charm. But he survived, and he is still paying a
lot of wages, and filling up a lot of pension funds.

Microsoft can be beaten. By better products at cheaper prices. Not by
whining that the competition won't help you: it never has, and it never will
:-)

Cheers


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