Re: installing on more than one machine?

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Hi Clive:

Just in case Matt's law studies are impeding his efforts in his day job, I
can jump in there...

At Install Time, the installer looks for the battery! If there is no
"battery" detected, we must be a "Desktop".

For the benefit of others, what happens next is this:

When the second copy appears on the network, the first one says "Who are
you?" If the second copy says "I am Fred's computer with a battery" all is
good. If it says "I am Fred's computer," the first one says "No, you're
not, you're just a very naughty boy!! Go to your room!!".

On Windows, there's some very cunning encryption involved to make sure you
are who you say you are.

So far in Microsoft's experience, it has been able to trust Mac users to do
the right thing. I am sure that if they ever believe that has changed, they
can add the Windows Authentication and Activation mechanisms just by
flipping a couple of bits in the compiler. I bet the code to do it is
already there, ready to be called in.

So, for anyone who is rushing to tell us how clever you have been by finding
a way to outwit the mechanism, please can you just let that be your little
secret? The rest of us would really rather not have to deal with Software
Activation on our Macs :-)

Cheers


On 17/3/08 12:28 PM, in article
C4042970.35CDD%REMOVETHISoffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Clive Huggan"
<REMOVETHISoffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Matt,

I¹d like to clarify one aspect so that it might replace my previous
understanding.

Without going to the EULA either (I¹d, umm, like to, but don¹t have the time
? it¹s Monday in Australia): I had interpreted the fact that Office would
not open on a network if it found an existing installation with the same
serial number already at work as reinforcing what I understood to be a
prohibition of two running at the same time (albeit if the two computers
were not on a network they would be capable of operating undetected at the
same time). That¹s not so, in your view?

(If you don¹t want to get further involved, I¹ll just keep my ³underlying
theory² to myself; I have 5 licences myself...)

(And in that event, please ignore my theory, Phillip ? it might be a bit
dangerous. ;-)

Cheers,

Clive
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On 17/3/08 12:52 PM, in article
C4031CF3.41D0A%matt.centurion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Matt Centurión
[MSFT]" <matt.centurion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Phillip, you don't want to do your homework and read the EULA yourself and
just want me to explain it to you. I get it :P

Maybe if I give you an example from a different product this might help.
Consider this statement from Adobe Macromedia license (
http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/):

HOME USE OF MACROMEDIA BRANDED PRODUCTS

Notwithstanding the terms of the product license agreement included within a
Macromedia branded product, when such a product is licensed through Adobe¹s
Open Options licensing program (not including Student Licensing, Site
Licensing, and Term Licensing), the primary user of the computer on which
such software is lawfully installed may install a second copy of such
software for his or her exclusive use on either a portable computer or a
computer located at his or her home, provided that the software on the
portable or home computer is not used at the same time as the software on
the
primary computer.

Notice that it specifies ³primary user² and ³his or her exclusive use on .. a
portable computer². Which means you need to identify who the primary user of
the computer is, and then that person can install it on a portable for only
THEIR use, not the use of any secondary, tertiary, etc.. users.

From the way I read the Office license, we are similar to this Adobe license
except that
a) We don¹t allow 2nd install on a desktop, just a portable.
b) We allow them to be used at the same time.

In other companies¹ more restrictive licenses, you need to buy additional
licenses for every person that will be using the software. Yikes! And in
fact,
the Home & Student Edition comes with 3 licenses, which means up to 3 family
members are considered ³primary users² which means all 3 of them can also
install onto laptops if they have them. Which then means 3 other non-primary
users can use the desktop copies. Wow! 6 copies of Office running at the same
time.. Even if the machines are all networked! What a bargain!

So that¹s what I read from this. Again, it¹s up to you to decide who the
³primary user² is and abide by the license agreement.

And remember, just because you use 2 copies with the same license on
non-networked computers and you don¹t get the ³this license is in use²
dialog,
doesn¹t mean you are following the terms of the license agreement.

I hope this answers all your questions as this is the extent of my knowledge.
If you have additional questions I sincerely suggest you contact a lawyer as
they eat these types of documents for lunch and can explain every detail
better than I.

Matt
MacOffice Testing
Microsoft


Date: 3/16/08 4:28 PM / From: "Phillip Jones" <pjones1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

I'm not questioning enforcement. I don't intend to break the law or
agreement.

what I question is your saying:

you installed on a Desktop and Laptop per the EULA.

and If your son or daughter or wife uses the tower (desktop) unit and
you use the Laptop everything is Legal.

But if you use the Tower and your wife, daughter, or son use the Laptop
its illegal.

If both are in your possession, and neither are being used on a network.
And neither has been moved out of the place you normally use it.

How is one set of circumstances legal and the other not. That is what I
am questioning.

I'm not posting on this thread to be a Thorn in anyones side. I just
trying to wrap head around the idea that one set of circumstances are
legal and the reverse is not?

Also suppose I allow some one to use my computer while I am looking over
their shoulder. Its still in my possession, just someone other than me
is using it. Is That illegal? I don't plan on doing it, just asking a
question.






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