Re: Outline pane STILL clips text horizontally in 2004

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Date: 22 May 2004 12:07:49 -0700

Thanks for the reply, Jim. I will try using the feedback form and at
least see what happens. In any case, I surely will not be buying the
product.

Actually, I do use Outline view primarily (it is the view I primarily
use). But in my experience, it still does not allow for enough room
to properly wrap the text. At any readable zoom level, the pane must
be very, very large to not clip. Even so, the real problem is that
when you switch back to Normal view the zoom level remains the same,
and the text is completely lost.

I would absolutely call this a bug, because the scrollbar does not
work. It's perfectly fine if they chose to not wrap the text strictly
at the edge of the pane, but in that case the scrollbar should at
least cover the whole range of the view. I have done a fair amount of
programming (and so have my co-workers who helped verify this for me),
and it is definitely a bug in the code. Very poor product testing by
Microsoft for this to survive two major releases.

Thanks much for taking the time to help, Jim.

Kevin

Jim Gordon MVP <goldkey74@WarmerThanWarmMail.com> wrote in message news:<BCD4C9F8.AEE5%goldkey74@WarmerThanWarmMail.com>...
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I see what you mean about the wrapping. It just doesn't flow nicely in the
> left pane once you make the width of the pane small enough.
>
> It appears that the designer of the view figured that if you need a larger
> view of the outline that you would simply choose Outline view.
>
> You send send feedback directly to the Macintosh Business unit by using the
> feedback option on the Help menu which uses this URL:
> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/feedback/suggestion.asp
>
> You won't get a personal reply, but this is the kind of thing that they are
> interested in knowing so they can put someone to work on it to fix it if
> they think the problem ought to be fixed. Feedback sent to that URL is read
> by the product manager and the programmers.
>
> I'm not certain that they would consider this to be a bug since there is
> Outline view, but it would be a good idea to let them know your thoughts
> about the way you would like to see text wrap in Normal view.
>
> -Jim
>
>
>
> Quoting from "Kevin Camera" <kcamera@eecs.berkeley.edu>, in article
> 9e2b1fcd.0405211853.14c99c62@posting.google.com, on [DATE:
>
> > Just another bump here, plus some extra info. I just verified this
> > same behavior on a couple other friends' Macs (there aren't a whole
> > lot around my office). So I have almost no doubt this is a bug in
> > PowerPoint. I guess I really do just use the program weirder than
> > most people...
> >
> > If anyone has any thoughts on how I can communicate this directly to
> > Microsoft, I would also appreciate that. As I said in the first
> > message, I really won't purchase a defective (in my opinion) product
> > in the hopes that it will be patched later. And otherwise, I'm
> > looking forward to getting it!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> >
> > kcamera@eecs.berkeley.edu (Kevin Camera) wrote in message
> > news:<9e2b1fcd.0405191205.4bed31b9@posting.google.com>...
> >> This is a continuation of a complaint I made a while ago, which can be
> >> found here:
> >> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=9e2b1fcd.030918081
> >> 3.3867b066%40posting.google.com&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Drender%2Bgroup:micr
> >> osoft.public.mac.office.powerpoint%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dm
> >> icrosoft.public.mac.office.powerpoint%26selm%3D9e2b1fcd.0309180813.3867b066%2
> >> 540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D7
> >>
> >> I just downloaded the Office 2004 Test Drive, and this bug IS STILL
> >> HERE. I still want to believe that if this was a native bug in
> >> PowerPoint, others would be commenting on this problem as well. But a
> >> few months back, I bought a new iMac, and I have the exact same bug on
> >> that machine. In fact, when I upgraded to Panther, I completely
> >> reformatted my hard drives, and the bug still appeared on a fresh
> >> install. I really don't think this is specific to my machine -- maybe
> >> 99.9% of the other users just don't use PowerPoint the way I do...
> >>
> >> To summarize, in any view that uses the outline pane (either Normal or
> >> Outline mode), the text is clipped in the horizontal direction.
> >> Meaning, the text does not wrap properly at the right edge, and even
> >> worse, the horizontal scrollbar does not work. Even when I scroll all
> >> the way from left to right, the view only moves by a few pixels, and
> >> the text is cut off.
> >>
> >> This clip point is somehow determined by a hard-coded value
> >> proportional to the zoom level. If I zoom in, the text clips farther
> >> right than before, etc. So basically, the only way I can use the
> >> program is to zoom out far enough that the text wraps properly.
> >>
> >> I really want to buy Office 2004, but there is no way I will ever
> >> spend the money unless this gets fixed. Please Microsoft, have
> >> someone work to fix this bug even though I don't have any support
> >> privileges with the test drive. I will not buy the product under the
> >> wish that this gets fixed.
> >>
> >> Thanks!

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