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JE McGimpsey wrote:
In article <ubTVLd0cIHA.2688@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Phillip Jones <pjones1@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Come on now you mean to tell me that MS puts as much money and effort in MacBU as other portions of their company.

I don't have any data, but I strongly suspect that the investment criteria are the same for MacBU as they are for other product groups, so that the money is "as much" *relative to sales*.

Do you have any data that says otherwise?

All I want is a fair shake. I want software from any company to work the same as it does on one platform as it does for another.

Including QuickTime on Windows machines?
Yes I wouldn't mind that as well a wmv/wma unfettered as well. I expect the reason why apple is so tight on quicktime for windows is because we receive like treatment on windows media Player for the Mac or even WinAmp for the Mac. . Why should be benevolent to a company that takes ever opportunity take a jab here and there.


Are you suggesting that if MacBU has a better idea that's Mac-specific (as they nearly always do), they shouldn't implement it because it wouldn't work the same as on the WinOffice side?

No I am saying if apple has a great idea implement in on Windows side, and windows has a great idea implement that too.

we can do away with the dangerous stuff on both platform like Active-X. Active-X is one of the easiest way for bad guys to implement evil stuff.


what I'd like to see is be able to sit down in front of a Computer/ any computer and be able to do this , this and this without batting an eyelash. Instead You can do this unless your own the Platform, or you can do that unless you own that platform.

Apple would have gone out of business long ago if the market felt as you say you do.

No I don't think so. MS got it right one time even though a lot of Mac folks though the interface was ugly and the first day or to I thought so. But I open my computer or look at Pc's monitor for Word 6 and Excel 5 Mac looked identical to Word 95 and excel 95. if you covered up the names of the computers you could not tell an iota of difference. I finally got back a feature in 2008 word that was in word 6.0.1a that disappeared in all versions in between. and that is the Format Painter.


Sorry if it looks like I am jaded. But from someone that who's first Mac was an SE/30 with OS 6.3 and the treatment Apple has received, you should be able to see where I am coming from.
Just because you're a recent convert is no reason to be jaded!!
Recent Convert?. I don't consider 1986 to be a recent convert. ;-)

Hmmm... the SE/30 wasn't introduced until 1989. Nor was OS 6.0.3 (there wasn't a OS 6.3). But I meant my "recent convert" humorously :-)

Your right about the OS it was 6.0.3 I used SE's and even Fat macs when I worked for school system but even 19 or 20 years is nothing to sneeze at.

The treatment Apple has received has largely been of its own making. Sheer arrogance combined with failure to adapt to the market.
That's typical of MS defenders.

And that's a typically ad hominem rejoinder!
How is that is that so. I mean every time you come out with an idea Unless you are on equal footing as far a money goes, you get raided. How is one so supposed to act. do you stand still in a Ring and let an 800 pound gorilla beat you to a pulp?

I don't typically defend MS (tho' I'll admit to being partial to MacBU), but I also can't stand conspiracy theories promulgated without evidence.

You know for a Fact that the use of a Mouse and use of a desktop type metaphor was originated at Apple. I realize the very early works was done at Xerox Parc project but Xerox didn't want it and didn't step in the way, when Apple came out with their own design *based* on that research.

Well, Xerox did *delay* (fatally, for their suit), but they *did* sue Apple for infringing its GUI copyrights.

Then MS out right stole the design

Patent revisionism! Apple *licensed* nearly all the GUI elements to MS for Windows 1.0! Apple only decided it owned the copyrights when Windows 2.0 came out.

and because Apple wasn't big enough it was unable to pay enough to win a patent suite.

It lost the case when it made a bad tactical decision so that the *copyright* issue wasn't addressed. There was never a patent suit.

It was great that the MacBu did get out X of course I was able to use 2001 on until 2004 came out.

But no corporate users could. Your needs are very basic, Phillip.

And if your theories held any water, MS would have simply shut down production of v.X until Apple's OS X business withered and died. Instead, they saw a *synergistic* opportunity to make a profit.

So I have to deal with but I don't have to like it. Its kind of like going to the DR at some point you have to go to them whether you want to or not.

Oh, I don't expect you'll ever like change...!! <g>

OTOH, I haven't been to a doctor for about 6 years, and don't intend to any time soon, so what do I know?

lets just agree to disagree. I know what I've been through as a Mac user and only thing it has done is harden my resolve. I'll be loyal to the bitter end.
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