Re: Mark as junk (shift-command-J)
From: Axel Hammerschmidt (hlexa_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 02/28/05
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:10:58 +0100
Paul Berkowitz <berkowit@spoof_silcom.com> wrote:
> On 2/27/05 1:57 PM, in article 1gsnxs9.5hsxz7xb7vhyN%hlexa@hotmail.com,
> "Axel Hammerschmidt" <hlexa@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm using Entourage in Office 2004 with a POP3 account. Entourage is set
> > to work offline. I am using a modem connection. I have a size limit on
> > the messages that prevents more than the first 5K from being downloaded.
> > These messages apear in the Inbox, or in the Junk folder, with a broken
> > envelope along side them in the List panes. All Preview panes is
> > disabled. So far so good.
> >
> > I am using the built in junk filter. Sometimes, a junk mail message gets
> > past the filter and appears in the Inbox List pane. If it's less than
> > 5K, I can mark the message as junk (shift-command-J) and the message is
> > transferred to the Junk folder.
> >
> > If the message is over 5K and gets past the junk filter and appears in
> > the Inbox List pane and I want to mark that message as junk (with
> > shift-cammand-J) I am presented with a dialog window asking if I want to
> > connect to the Internet to complete this task.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me why this junk message isn't just transferred to the
> > Junk folder like the junk message that is less than 5K?
>
> Well, you answered that yourself (and thanks for the detail):
>
> > I'm using Entourage in Office 2004 with a POP3 account. Entourage is set
> > to work offline. I am using a modem connection. I have a size limit on
> > the messages that prevents more than the first 5K from being downloaded.
>
> So if the message is less than 5K, the whole thing has already downloaded
> _and has been removed from the server_. (I'm assuming here that you do not
> have the option checked to leave messages on the server.)
Thank you for your answer.
I do have that option checked. All mails on the server are deleted
manually. After they have been either downloaded- or, if the message is
junk and over 5K, is still only partially downloaded.
All messages (including all the junk mail and the junk messages that got
past the filter) had also been deleted on the server before I tried to
mark the partially downloaded junk message over 5K as junk mail.
(I could have just deleted the local, partially downloaded junk message,
that got past the filter, without marking it as junk first. It will end
up being deleted. I wanted to mark the message as junk first, because I
wanted to see if that would improve the efficiency of the filter.
Something like training a neural network).
I don't have Allow online access (shows account in folder list) checked.
> So when you mark the message as junk, it's a simple matter for Entourage
> to move the message from one local folder (the Inbox) to another (the
> local Junk folder).
Yes!
> When the message is over 5K, only 5K's worth has downloaded, and the
> entire message is still up on the server. Once a message has been moved
> from the Inbox to the Junk folder, it will no longer be synchronized with
> the server, presumably.
No, the junk message over 5K had already been deleted from the server
manually and was no longer on the server.
> So in order to move it, Entourage first wants to connect to the server in
> order to remove it from the server. But you're working offline, so it
> asks permission first.
No, see above.
> I guess an alternate method would allow the partially downloaded message to
> be moved and would only try to connect when you - what? - tried to delete
> it?
Yes, and activating the "Delete messages from the server after they are
deleted from this computer" in the account option?
> You really do _not_ want the local copy and the message on the server to
> be unlinked.
I agree. But this is not the case.
> You could end up with hundreds or thousands of messages still
> on the server that you didn't know about. That would be far worse. It's
> essential that you still be able to "see" the messages still on the server.
> If you only got the "Do you want to connect?" nag when deleting all messages
> at once from the Junk folder, say, it might be not only more annoying but
> also confusing since you wouldn't be sure which messages it was referring
> to, or you might get 100 such dialogs, one for each such message. Isn't it
> better to get it for the specific message as you junk it?
>
> I think that if you did choose the option to leave messages on the server,
> you'd get this for every message you junked while offline, for the same
> reason.
Yes, but the information about which messages are still on the server
(none of them) is (supposed to be) syncronised all right.
> What happens if you instead drag the message to the Junk folder?
I'll try that. But will that also result in the message being marked as
junk mail? Will that improve the filter? Maybe the filter is just a
statik filter?
And it gets worse! I tried the same trick, marking a partially
downloaded junk message that got past the filter and that had been
deleted from the server as Junk mail while the connection was open (but
with Work Offline in the Entourage menu still checked) and hit the
Connect button in the before mentioned dialog window. I then got a
spinning wheel that just went on, and on. Entourage had locked up.
The wheel stopped spinning when I moved the curser away from the open
Entourage panels on the screen. So I could start a Terminal and shutdown
and reboot the machine.
There's something wrong somewhere.
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