Re: We need a TRUE Exchange client for the Mac Platform

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From: Corentin Cras-Méneur (korventeen_at_NoSpam.mvps.org)
Date: 09/17/04 

Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:11:55 -0500

Mark Harter <mark.harter@wegmans.com> wrote:

> Corentin-

        Hi Mark,

> Don't get me wrong i've been on this forum for about two years now, I
> rarely post and mostly read.

I sure didn't mean that I thought you were anyhow new to the newsgroups.

> I understand the positions of the MVP's quite well and I think all of
> you guys do an excellent job. So no ill will diretced there. Believe

:-) Well some of us could have been a bit biased I guess. At least from
time to time. Not really biased to supprot MS in its choice, but biased
because it could be a bit more difficult to properly asses how important
some specific features might be when you're not using them yourself.
(I've never used delegating features on Exchange for instance - but I
understand that some people really need that).

> I'm not one of those inate users who think you guys represent
> Microsoft, in fact you guys have a unenvyable job in my eyes!

Well thanks Mark. Even though it hardly ever is the case for me in the
regular Office cases, I've often had to take the heat in the WMP
newsgroup. It's a bit upsetting, to say the least, to receive hate mail
when you only participate in a newsgroups on your free time to try an
help other users to workaround nasty bugs in an application you don;t
even use that often (I hated to see hundred of unanswered posts in this
group when I knew the workaround). That's when I added the third line in
my signature...

> What I have problem with is the fact that the there is really no
> compeling reason for me to upgrade my 30+ users, tin my mind there is
> nothing in Office 2004 that Office X does not have that is an absolute
> for upgrading.

I see your point.

> I like Entourage a lot its just a shame that people are asking
> Microsoft to fix these shortcomings and they are no doing it.
>
> quote: "From what I've heard, it wouldn't be a trivial task at all
> (otherwise
> > they would have done it) :-\"
>
> I'll have to repsectively disagree with this one. The port from an OS9
> to rewrite in OSX is difficult true, but the manner that Microsoft is
> choosing to hook up to exchange is rather weak.

Entourage is not a port of Outlook to MacOS X, not even the Exchange
supprot part. Outlook accessed Exchange through MAPI and Entourage only
uses IMAP (in X) or WebDAV (in 2004). They haven't ported MAPI support
to MacOS X. From what I've heard, porting MAPI in Outlook 2001 in MacOS
9 was a really enormous work.

> Oh yeah one more thing to add to the list. Support for PST files
> through outlook is a huge issue.

I know :-\ It'd be really nice to have that in Entourage. I read
somewhere that the problem was somehow related to the MAPI issue, but
I'm not sure I fully remember/understand why... I think that some of the
MAPI structure is reflected in the PST file (or something like that).

        Corentin 

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