Re: Force All to use firewall Client ONLY

You will have to:

Your employees:
1. Install the FWC on all your LAN machines effected by this.
2. Remove all the browser's proxy settings.
3. Keep using Autodetection so you don't have to manually maintain the FWC
4. In the ISA MMC in the FWC Autodetection settings tell it to not
automatically confgure the broweser so that it would not put the autodetect
settings back in the browser after you remove them.
* MMC-->Networks-->Internal Network Properties-->Firewall Client-->Clear
out everything in the "Web Browser configuration on the......." area. Leave
only the Upper section filled it with the checkbox enabled and the name of
the server.
* You can also go to the Web Proxy Tab in this same area and disable
(uncheck) the "Enable Web Proxy client connections for this network". But
you will only want to do this is the Guest Segment is a separate Network
Definition which will only be true if the ISA is doubling as the LAN Router.
If you use a separate LAN Router then you cannot do this because you will
kill the Web Proxy for the Guests as well.
* Note: I have never gone this extreme with this before, so I am only
speaking "in theory",...so you just have to try it an see what happens.

The guests:
1. Create a new Subnet on the LAN (requires a LAN Router unless the ISA
doubles as the LAN Router)
2. Arrange the building's cabling so that guests can only get to wall jacks
(or WAPs) that are part of this Segment
3. Create an anonymous Access Rule for HTTP/HTTPS/FTP that only applies to
this particular Segment.
4. Have the Access Rules that effect all other segments *not* be anonymous.
5. You may still require an anonymous Access Rule for Servers and other
Network Devices regardless of what IP segment they are in.


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Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
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Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/ISA2004_AccessRules.html

Troubleshooting Client Authentication on Access Rules in ISA Server 2004
http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/1/8/918ed2d3-71d0-40ed-8e6d-fd6eeb6cfa07/ts_rules.doc

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp

Microsoft ISA Server Partners: Partner Hardware Solutions
http://www.microsoft.com/forefront/edgesecurity/partners/hardwarepartners.mspx
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"Ahmad Sabry" <asabry@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Mr Philip
i think u got more closer to what i want by saying :

" If you want to separate guests from regular users then your LAN Design
has to have an effect on that,...you can't do it with ISA alone"
i want to force all domain users to Access internet by ONLY firewall
client, so any guest has no FWC installed & i'll disable the automatic
detection from IE over group ploicy so they use FWC only to access
internet, he can't Access internet "till i do more reading about NAPs if i
can apply it in near future".
Many thanks for yuor helpfull repply.
Ahmad Sabry

"Phillip Windell" <philwindell@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Remove all the Browser's proxy settings.

Configure the Firewall Client from within the ISA MMC to *not*
automatically configure the browser.

But what you want to do is pretty much pointless. You should be letting
the Firewall Client and the Browser to work togther the way they are
supposed to do with the Proxy Autodetection.

You are supposed to control what/who has access to what/where by using
the Access Rules,...*not* by what type of Client they are.

If you want to separate guests from regular users then your LAN Design
has to have an effect on that,...you can't do it with ISA alone,...there
is no way for ISA to know the difference between a "guest" and a "regular
user" when you have anonymous Rules.

If I understood the "what & why" of what you are doing I might be able to
suggest something more specific.

--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------
Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/ISA2004_AccessRules.html

Troubleshooting Client Authentication on Access Rules in ISA Server 2004
http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/1/8/918ed2d3-71d0-40ed-8e6d-fd6eeb6cfa07/ts_rules.doc

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp

Microsoft ISA Server Partners: Partner Hardware Solutions
http://www.microsoft.com/forefront/edgesecurity/partners/hardwarepartners.mspx
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"Ahmad Sabry" <asabry@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uln$5jUTIHA.3516@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi there!
sorry for that simple question but i really need help!
I need to force all connected users "Domain ones only - guests working
just
by web proxy -automatic over dhcp-"
to use ONLY firewall Client and not being able to Access internet
without it
!!
may you guide me for a HOWTO for this ??
all now are working with no firewall client and just they get the IP
from
DHCP and get into internet.

Many Thanks for Help.

Ahmad Sabry









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