Re: HEX EEEEEE COLORS WITH IE

I would also validate the CSS.

Things fine in FF/NS, and off in IE usually can be easily solved with a CC.
It's usually a 3px jog or similar gotcha....

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Murray
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"Mike Mueller" <MyName@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Agreed, when the pages validate there is a much better
chance they will appear the same in all current browsers-
even as I speak; though, I am battling a valid xhtml1 strict
page with a form and a button out of place in IE6 & 7- Opera
& NS are fine

Verbage.
W3C recommendations: These are w3c specifications developed
by w3c committees and approved by the w3c members for
widespread usage

Requirements:
Generally you are not required to use any doctype or have it
validate. If you are planning on using a site as part of
your resume, it may be beneficial to use valid html.
If you do have a gov't entity on your client list, it may be
a good thing to be valid and beyond. Nothing like a
politician wanting a site redone because its not ADA
compliant in their mind

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"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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: Definitely. If my page validates, I can begin to relax
about browser
: issues. It's much easier to manage the site then....
:
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: Murray
: --------------
: MVP FrontPage
:
:
: "Kevin Spencer" <unclechutney@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: news:e1xShTBYHHA.1300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >I might add here, that I for one am very glad that these
"recommendations"
: >(a rose by any other name...) are being adopted by the
browser vendors. I
: >know that, as a developer, I'm having a great deal less
trouble getting my
: >pages to look the same in all current browsers. I only
hope that IE6 goes
: >away soon...
: >
: > --
: > HTH,
: >
: > Kevin Spencer
: > Microsoft MVP
: >
: > Help test our new betas,
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: > http://www.miradyne.net
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: > "Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: > news:O%23ULu$1XHHA.2268@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >> Right.
: >>
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: >> Murray
: >> --------------
: >> MVP FrontPage
: >>
: >>
: >> "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
: >> news:e7kVF51XHHA.408@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>> Validation is not a requirement to make a good and
viewable web site...
: >>> I am not saying that a developer shouldn't validation,
just that it is
: >>> not a requirement. Developers are free to do whatever
they want.
: >>>
: >>> --
: >>> ==============================================
: >>> Thomas A. Rowe
: >>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: >>>
: >>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: >>> ==============================================
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> "Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: >>> news:Opb8ms1XHHA.3520@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>> But you are just talking in circles.
: >>>>
: >>>> Clients don't care if pages validate. They want them
to work and be
: >>>> easily updated.
: >>>>
: >>>> You, as a developer have validation as your first
priority - to make
: >>>> sure that you haven't missed something stupid on your
code (like a
: >>>> leading "#" on a color value), and to troubleshoot
any problems you are
: >>>> having. If the pages validate, you can be pretty
sure that your
: >>>> problems are not related to code and are more in the
realm of usage.
: >>>> Without validation you are blind to this.
: >>>>
: >>>> It makes no sense for a professional developer to
dismiss validation as
: >>>> an affectation (in my opinion).
: >>>>
: >>>> --
: >>>> Murray
: >>>> --------------
: >>>> MVP FrontPage
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
: >>>> news:OPr3xyzXHHA.2556@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>> Visitors to web sites only care that the site is
viewable in the
: >>>>> browser of their choice and has the content they are
looking for.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> The only people I have ever heard of, that are
concerned about pages
: >>>>> validating, are web developers.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> --
: >>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>> Thomas A. Rowe
: >>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: >>>>>
: >>>>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: >>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>> "Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: >>>>> news:OelChuzXHHA.4368@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>> They are the very definition of HTML. You can
follow them or not.
: >>>>>> If you follow them, your pages will validate and
you will be happy
: >>>>>> and prosperous. If you don't follow them, your
teeth will get long,
: >>>>>> and you will be an ugly person.
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> The community and the manufacturers have embraced
them as the
: >>>>>> "standards". Call it what you will.
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> --
: >>>>>> Murray
: >>>>>> --------------
: >>>>>> MVP FrontPage
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
: >>>>>> news:OnG9QUzXHHA.3952@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>> From Merriam-Webster Online:
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> recommendation:
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> 1a: the act of recommending
: >>>>>>> 1b: something (as a procedure) recommended
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> The W3C states they provide recommendations. So
far nowhere have I
: >>>>>>> seen them state that they are issuing "standards".
: >>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>>>> Thomas A. Rowe
: >>>>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: >>>>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> "Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
in message
: >>>>>>> news:uB6e4NzXHHA.2552@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>> The recommendations are the standard.
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>> Murray
: >>>>>>>> --------------
: >>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>> "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: >>>>>>>> news:u303y9yXHHA.2436@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>> That is one way of looking at it, but that still
doesn't make them
: >>>>>>>>> standards.
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>>>>>> Thomas A. Rowe
: >>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: >>>>>>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>> "Kevin Spencer" <unclechutney@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message
: >>>>>>>>> news:uQNK3uyXHHA.1216@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>>> Well, Tom, it seems that all of the browser
vendors are adopting
: >>>>>>>>>> a "standard" of adhering to the
recommendations.
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> ;-)
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> Kevin Spencer
: >>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> Help test our new betas,
: >>>>>>>>>> DSI PrintManager, Miradyne Component Libraries:
: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.miradyne.net
: >>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>> "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: >>>>>>>>>> news:%23EEXhvCXHHA.4624@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>>>> There are no HTML standards, just
recommendations.
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>>>>>>>> Thomas A. Rowe
: >>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: >>>>>>>>>>> ==============================================
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>> "Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message
: >>>>>>>>>>> news:ej0NHoBXHHA.4240@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>>>>> This does NOT benefit the user. It confuses
them. This
: >>>>>>>>>>>> attitude is what has gotten IE into the hole
it's in now - all
: >>>>>>>>>>>> this making nice stuff. There's a perfectly
good set of
: >>>>>>>>>>>> standards out there. They should not just
ignore them willy
: >>>>>>>>>>>> nilly.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>>> Murray
: >>>>>>>>>>>> --------------
: >>>>>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: >>>>>>>>>>>> news:e3r$JCAXHHA.4216@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Very simple if the browser can understand
what is want or is
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of display a page when the code is
badly written this
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a benefit for the user * of the browser.
Browsers that do
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> not do this penalize users as a way of get
back at developers
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the site, by making the site look bad.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> * User in this case, are folks that just
want to view a web
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> site for the info it contains, they do not
care how the site
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> was coded, etc.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
==============================================
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas A. Rowe
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
==============================================
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "P@tty Ayers"
<pattyayersTAKETHISOUT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
: >>>>>>>>>>>>> message
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: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I guess whether IE's laissez-faire behavior
is "wrong" or not
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>could be debated, but I can't see how you
can call it
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"penalizing" for the other browsers to
interpret code
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>accurately and correctly, Thomas.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Free Articles on the Business of Web
Development
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form,
Estimate
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Work***
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IE doesn't penalized users if the code is
wrong, but still
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readable, whereas other browsers do.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
==============================================
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas A. Rowe
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
==============================================
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep - as Patty notes, IE will forgive
you. Other browsers
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not. IE is wrong to do this.
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Scott" <Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that make it appear on one
computer and not on
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another - I would assume
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a missing octothorpe would be an all or
nothing
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon?
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Murray" wrote:
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All hex color values MUST be prefixed
with the octothorpe
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "#". Have you
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done this?
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #DDDDDD?
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murray
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MVP FrontPage
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Scott"
<Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I have a frontpage site where I've
used hex colors
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >EEEEEE and F2F2F2 to
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > display different shades of gray in a
table. On my
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > computer, and most
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > others, it displays fine. However, I
have a client who
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > apparently can't
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > display EEEEEE or F2F2F2 (they all
look white on her
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > screen). She can see
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > DDDDDD (which is almost the same),
She has a ATI
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Radeon Xpress with Benq
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > monitor. Is this common? Should I
use a different
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > color, or is it simply
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > some problem with her setup. Thanks
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