Re: HEX EEEEEE COLORS WITH IE

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Right.

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Validation is not a requirement to make a good and viewable web site... I
am not saying that a developer shouldn't validation, just that it is not a
requirement. Developers are free to do whatever they want.

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"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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But you are just talking in circles.

Clients don't care if pages validate. They want them to work and be
easily updated.

You, as a developer have validation as your first priority - to make sure
that you haven't missed something stupid on your code (like a leading "#"
on a color value), and to troubleshoot any problems you are having. If
the pages validate, you can be pretty sure that your problems are not
related to code and are more in the realm of usage. Without validation
you are blind to this.

It makes no sense for a professional developer to dismiss validation as
an affectation (in my opinion).

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Visitors to web sites only care that the site is viewable in the browser
of their choice and has the content they are looking for.

The only people I have ever heard of, that are concerned about pages
validating, are web developers.

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"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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They are the very definition of HTML. You can follow them or not. If
you follow them, your pages will validate and you will be happy and
prosperous. If you don't follow them, your teeth will get long, and you
will be an ugly person.

The community and the manufacturers have embraced them as the
"standards". Call it what you will.

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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From Merriam-Webster Online:

recommendation:

1a: the act of recommending
1b: something (as a procedure) recommended

The W3C states they provide recommendations. So far nowhere have I
seen them state that they are issuing "standards".
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"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The recommendations are the standard.

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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That is one way of looking at it, but that still doesn't make them
standards.

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"Kevin Spencer" <unclechutney@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well, Tom, it seems that all of the browser vendors are adopting a
"standard" of adhering to the recommendations.

;-)

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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There are no HTML standards, just recommendations.

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"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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This does NOT benefit the user. It confuses them. This attitude
is what has gotten IE into the hole it's in now - all this making
nice stuff. There's a perfectly good set of standards out there.
They should not just ignore them willy nilly.

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Very simple if the browser can understand what is want or is
capable of display a page when the code is badly written this is
a benefit for the user * of the browser. Browsers that do not do
this penalize users as a way of get back at developers of the
site, by making the site look bad.

* User in this case, are folks that just want to view a web site
for the info it contains, they do not care how the site was
coded, etc.

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"P@tty Ayers" <pattyayersTAKETHISOUT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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I guess whether IE's laissez-faire behavior is "wrong" or not
could be debated, but I can't see how you can call it
"penalizing" for the other browsers to interpret code accurately
and correctly, Thomas.

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <tarowe@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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IE doesn't penalized users if the code is wrong, but still
readable, whereas other browsers do.

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"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Yep - as Patty notes, IE will forgive you. Other browsers
will not. IE is wrong to do this.

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"Scott" <Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Would that make it appear on one computer and not on
another - I would assume
a missing octothorpe would be an all or nothing phenomenon?


"Murray" wrote:

All hex color values MUST be prefixed with the octothorpe
"#". Have you
done this?

#DDDDDD?

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"Scott" <Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have a frontpage site where I've used hex colors EEEEEE
and F2F2F2 to
display different shades of gray in a table. On my
computer, and most
others, it displays fine. However, I have a client who
apparently can't
display EEEEEE or F2F2F2 (they all look white on her
screen). She can see
DDDDDD (which is almost the same), She has a ATI Radeon
Xpress with Benq
monitor. Is this common? Should I use a different
color, or is it simply
some problem with her setup. Thanks


































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