Re: "Click to activate this control" problem

Using that logic, the way to get around the whole IE update blocking stuff
is to use Firefox. Gee, let's tell 90% of users to download and install
Firefox. We may as well tell users to dump all Microsoft software from
their systems, that way they never have a problem. Yeah, right!

No. It's not. One should not use hover buttons because they rely on Java.
The Java engine is no longer distributed with Windows (and hasn't been since
at least 2003). This means that unless people KNOW to get and install the
Java engine, not only will they not see your buttons, but they will have no
navigation to your site. At all. Java was a poor choice in the first
place, and this fact makes it even worse. Had you posted "Should I use
Hover buttons" you would have gotten a resounding "NO" from the community
here.

You said you made the fixes work, now you just say not to use the hover
buttons. Well, I could do that, but they worked fine for three years, and
anyone who did not have Java installed just had the same items in plain
text with standard hyperlinks.

Unless you made it that way, that is not how it happens.

You stated, "I have. It works."

I have. Check http://www.neapco.com/n_why-neapco.php

There is a streaming FLV and a Flash movie on that page - neither have the
Click to activate prompt.

You did not fix it, but claimed that you had. I don't know why you would
claim it if you have not done it.

How rude.

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Murray
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MVP FrontPage


"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Murray,

Using that logic, the way to get around the whole IE update blocking stuff
is to use Firefox. Gee, let's tell 90% of users to download and install
Firefox. We may as well tell users to dump all Microsoft software from
their systems, that way they never have a problem. Yeah, right!

You said you made the fixes work, now you just say not to use the hover
buttons. Well, I could do that, but they worked fine for three years, and
anyone who did not have Java installed just had the same items in plain
text with standard hyperlinks.

I asked, "Have any of you actually tried to fix a web site that has these
problems, rather than fixing just your own IE? I am trying to fix it for
all visitors and make it work as it did a few months ago."

You stated, "I have. It works."

When asked how, you said not to use the buttons. That is not an answer, it
is a cop-out. Either you did or you did not fix the web site itself to
work as it did in the past with hover buttons. Which one is it? I think I
already know. You did not fix it, but claimed that you had. I don't know
why you would claim it if you have not done it.

Gregg Hill





"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Don't use hover buttons. They rely on Java and many (most?) people do
not have Java installed. Not only will they not see your buttons, they
won't get the link, either. But worst of all, neither will the search
engines.

That's the way to solve the hover button issue - by not using them.

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Murray
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MVP FrontPage


"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Murray,

Which fix worked for you? Most of those fixes refer to an "object" tag,
yet none of the code in the FrontPage hover-button has any tag called
"object."

The real answer is to use Firefox...until they get sued by Eolas!
However good Firefox may be, it is not used by many people, so web
developers (which I am not) need to make their sites compatible with IE
or risk losing business.

That is all I am trying to do. The update from Microsoft kills Flash,
ActiveX, and Java, which covers a lot of sites.

Gregg Hill





"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have. It works.

But for the original poster, the real answer is to not use hover
buttons (or anything Java, for that matter).

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Murray
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MVP FrontPage


"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Apparently, none of you folks have Googled the "Click to activate and
use this control" phrase. There are dozens of responses
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&num=100&q=%22Click+to+activate+and+use+this+control%22&safe=off&qt_s=Search
pointing to claimed fixes that work for Java, SWF, Flash, and ActiveX.
Most of them point to "flash-fix.js" or "ieupdate.js" as their fix. I
tried several, but none of them make the FrontPage-generated Java
hover-buttons work as they did a few months ago. Of course, they work
fine in FireFox.

Have any of you actually tried to fix a web site that has these
problems, rather than fixing just your own IE? I am trying to fix it
for all visitors and make it work as it did a few months ago.

Gregg Hill



"Andrew Murray" <NOadmurraySPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Turn it off in IE (if possible but may not be as it could be a
permanent "feature" of IE).

"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello!

I am trying to help someone who has a web site with menu buttons
created by FrontPage and using Java. The buttons used to change
color when you placed the mouse over them, but since the IE update
that makes you click to activate ActiveX controls, etc, the buttons
do not work unless clicked on. The buttons use the fphover.class and
fphoverx.class files.

I have Googled and read for hours, trying many different "fixes"
that supposedly work but never do.

Here is the code from a sample test page:

<html>
<head>
<title>test page </title>
<base TARGET="main">
<meta name="robots" content="NOINDEX">
<meta name="rating" content="GENERAL">
<style fprolloverstyle>A:hover {color: #0000FF; text-decoration:
underline; font-weight: bold}
</style>
</head>
<body leftmargin="5" topmargin="10" link="#0000FF">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="152"
id="AutoNumber1">
<tr>
<td width="100%">
<applet code="fphover.class" width="150" height="41">
<param name="color" value="#000080">
<param name="hovercolor" value="#0000FF">
<param name="textcolor" value="#FFFF00">
<param name="effect" value="glow">
<param name="fontstyle" value="regular">
<param name="fontsize" value="14">
<param name="target" value="main">
<param name="bgcolor" value="#000080">
<param name="font" value="TimesRoman">
<param name="text" value="Show My IP Address">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref"
value="http://dynamic.thisgoessomewhere.com/checkip.html";>
<a
href="http://dynamic.thisgoessomewhere.com/checkip.html";>Show My IP
Address</a>
</applet></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

How can I stop this wonderful new behavior? All of the fixes I have
tried so far have not made my IE6 browser with the latest Sun Java
work properly. Is still have to click to activate.

Gregg Hill















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