Re: "Click to activate this control" problem

Tom,

Yes, I do get it. I asked for a solution to make the hover buttons work as
they had a few months ago. He said he had made it work. Then he says to
eliminate the buttons. That means he did NOT get it to work as he claimed he
did.

He could have just said that the first time through, instead of saying, "I
have. It works."

Had he, or any of the multiple solutions on the Internet said it cannot be
done, I would have stopped. But that is not the case. They say they can and
have made their sites work just as they did before the update.

Gregg Hill





"Tom Willett" <tompepper@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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You just don't get it.

"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Tom,

I am just glad he is not my doctor. I can hear that conversation now.

G: "Hey, doc, my toe hurts."

M: "Oh, I can fix that. WHACK!!! I just cut off your leg."

G: "But now I am crippled and cannot walk as I used to do three months
ago!"

M: "Well, does your toe still hurt?"

G: "Gosh, no it doesn't, but...."

M: "Wow, it looks as though I fixed another aching toe!"

Sometimes a small adjustment makes more sense than to lop of the whole
thing.

The only way his answer would be valid is if it is impossible to fix the
problem, sort of like having massive gangrene in the toe that has started
to spread. But he didn't say that...he said he got it to work ("I have.
It works.")

If it is not possible to make it work with a little added code, just say
so. That's all I ask.

Gregg Hill




"Tom Willett" <tompepper@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<sigh>
Best of luck, Gregg.

"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Murray,

Using that logic, the way to get around the whole IE update blocking
stuff is to use Firefox. Gee, let's tell 90% of users to download and
install Firefox. We may as well tell users to dump all Microsoft
software from their systems, that way they never have a problem. Yeah,
right!

You said you made the fixes work, now you just say not to use the hover
buttons. Well, I could do that, but they worked fine for three years,
and anyone who did not have Java installed just had the same items in
plain text with standard hyperlinks.

I asked, "Have any of you actually tried to fix a web site that has
these problems, rather than fixing just your own IE? I am trying to fix
it for all visitors and make it work as it did a few months ago."

You stated, "I have. It works."

When asked how, you said not to use the buttons. That is not an answer,
it is a cop-out. Either you did or you did not fix the web site itself
to work as it did in the past with hover buttons. Which one is it? I
think I already know. You did not fix it, but claimed that you had. I
don't know why you would claim it if you have not done it.

Gregg Hill





"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Don't use hover buttons. They rely on Java and many (most?) people do
not have Java installed. Not only will they not see your buttons,
they won't get the link, either. But worst of all, neither will the
search engines.

That's the way to solve the hover button issue - by not using them.

--
Murray
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MVP FrontPage


"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Murray,

Which fix worked for you? Most of those fixes refer to an "object"
tag, yet none of the code in the FrontPage hover-button has any tag
called "object."

The real answer is to use Firefox...until they get sued by Eolas!
However good Firefox may be, it is not used by many people, so web
developers (which I am not) need to make their sites compatible with
IE or risk losing business.

That is all I am trying to do. The update from Microsoft kills Flash,
ActiveX, and Java, which covers a lot of sites.

Gregg Hill





"Murray" <forums@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have. It works.

But for the original poster, the real answer is to not use hover
buttons (or anything Java, for that matter).

--
Murray
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MVP FrontPage


"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Apparently, none of you folks have Googled the "Click to activate
and use this control" phrase. There are dozens of responses
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&num=100&q=%22Click+to+activate+and+use+this+control%22&safe=off&qt_s=Search
pointing to claimed fixes that work for Java, SWF, Flash, and
ActiveX. Most of them point to "flash-fix.js" or "ieupdate.js" as
their fix. I tried several, but none of them make the
FrontPage-generated Java hover-buttons work as they did a few
months ago. Of course, they work fine in FireFox.

Have any of you actually tried to fix a web site that has these
problems, rather than fixing just your own IE? I am trying to fix
it for all visitors and make it work as it did a few months ago.

Gregg Hill



"Andrew Murray" <NOadmurraySPAM@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Turn it off in IE (if possible but may not be as it could be a
permanent "feature" of IE).

"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello!

I am trying to help someone who has a web site with menu buttons
created by FrontPage and using Java. The buttons used to change
color when you placed the mouse over them, but since the IE
update that makes you click to activate ActiveX controls, etc,
the buttons do not work unless clicked on. The buttons use the
fphover.class and fphoverx.class files.

I have Googled and read for hours, trying many different "fixes"
that supposedly work but never do.

Here is the code from a sample test page:

<html>
<head>
<title>test page </title>
<base TARGET="main">
<meta name="robots" content="NOINDEX">
<meta name="rating" content="GENERAL">
<style fprolloverstyle>A:hover {color: #0000FF; text-decoration:
underline; font-weight: bold}
</style>
</head>
<body leftmargin="5" topmargin="10" link="#0000FF">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111"
width="152" id="AutoNumber1">
<tr>
<td width="100%">
<applet code="fphover.class" width="150" height="41">
<param name="color" value="#000080">
<param name="hovercolor" value="#0000FF">
<param name="textcolor" value="#FFFF00">
<param name="effect" value="glow">
<param name="fontstyle" value="regular">
<param name="fontsize" value="14">
<param name="target" value="main">
<param name="bgcolor" value="#000080">
<param name="font" value="TimesRoman">
<param name="text" value="Show My IP Address">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref"
value="http://dynamic.thisgoessomewhere.com/checkip.html";>
<a
href="http://dynamic.thisgoessomewhere.com/checkip.html";>Show My
IP Address</a>
</applet></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

How can I stop this wonderful new behavior? All of the fixes I
have tried so far have not made my IE6 browser with the latest
Sun Java work properly. Is still have to click to activate.

Gregg Hill





















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