Re: Building a website using FrontPage as the front-end and C++ as the back-end.

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From: clintonG (csgallagher_at_REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com)
Date: 11/30/04 

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:44:00 -0600

As I know very little about PHP's capabilities with regard to extensibility
I would suggest you have one and only one reasonable option, that being the
use of C++.NET to develop an ASP.NET application. Using the .NET Framework
to write your own data provider meets your requirements David.

Google: "custom data provider"+".net framework"

Despite its pseudo functionality that lures so many who don't know any
better, in the hands of a competent developer, FrontPage is nothing more
than a push button HTML generator as that's all its really useful for with
considerations regarding the scope of the term 'useful.' See these pages
[1],[2],[3] regarding the use of FrontPage to develop ASP.NET applications
noting the articles are intended for use with Visual Studio.NET without
which you will have to write ASP.NET code inline which I can assure you is
painful drudgery. Thus, without Visual Studio.NET the only other reasonable
choice would be Visual C++ 2005 Express [4]. 

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[1] http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;871217
[2]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_ta/html/odc_FPUsingASPNETWithFrontPage2003.asp
[3]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_bk/html/odc_fp_c43615101.asp
[4] http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/default.aspx
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"David F" <David-White@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uZSej5m1EHA.1144@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks a lot for the fast and detailed response.
>
> OK, so I'll elaborate a little bit more.
>
> It is not an accident that in the no-no list I did not mentioned
JavaScript
> and HTML - I have learned Java in the past and to a lesser degree HTML too
> (please note that these are not MS proprietary stuff...) and even with my
> little knowledge about web applications, I know that I will need to use
> these and have no problem with that and most other stuff you mentioned.
The
> only exception I would take about your response is the issue of
> "complexity". Firstly, what is complicated for one is simple for someone
> else. Secondly, the comparison with desktop application can't be
simplified
> like that - it depends what is the desktop application and what is the web
> application. By the way, the proof is simple - even someone with my
trivial
> knowledge can create a "Hello, world" kind of website...
>
> More specifically, my case is as follows. I already have a proprietary
> database written in C++. It is extremely powerful in performance,
especially
> when it is very large and/or when many users want to access it
concurrently,
> and in many other aspects too. So naturally I would like to use it and
allow
> the clients to access it. Accordingly, I would like to avoid the use of
> "established" DBs such as MySQL, Access, etc.
>
> So back to my original point, can't I interact between my web pages and
> forms and my website in general (designed by FP), with my C++ based DB?
And,
> as I and you mentioned it - in practical / reasonable manner?
>
> And, if for practical reasons, I need to throw in between my web pages and
> my C++ DB yet another language (say PHP or whatever) as a "go in between"
> broker (that is, as an interface ONLY) that is fine with me too. I don't
> mine to learn yet another language (such as PHP) for such a limited use
and
> purpose. So I am looking for an interface between my web site (designed by
> FP) and my C++ based DB.
>
> I hope this makes my point more specific and clear.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> David
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <kspencer@takempis.com> wrote in message
> news:e$sXjLm1EHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Hi David,
> >
> > First, when one begins a job by deciding what tools one is going to use,
> and
> > after that how to go about the job, one is putting the proverbial cart
> > before the horse. Form follows function. What tools you decide to use
> should
> > be based upon what you are planning to build, and what tools are most
> > appropriate for the job.
> >
> > While it is certainly possible to write your own custom ISAPI or CGI
> program
> > using C++, it is not practical to do so, unless you are writing
something
> > really small and simple. You're not writing a desktop application.
You're
> > writing a web application. Web applications are much more complex.
> >
> > If you're having issues with learning a new language, you'd better steel
> > yourself, because in order to write a web application you're going to
have
> > to be familiar with (at least) HTML and JavaScript, not to mention
> whatever
> > language and technology you plan to use on the back end. A web
application
> > is a client-server app, with HTML and JavaScript on the client, and some
> > HTTP handler technology on the back end. HTTP is stateless, meaning that
> no
> > memory is shared between server and client, and both server and client
> have
> > no persistent memory between page requests. This means that you have to
> > develop some means of passing data back and forth between client and
> server.
> >
> > There is a very good reason why technologies such as ASP, ASP.Net and
PHP
> > (if you dislike MS) have been developed for this type of application.
> > Re-inventing the wheel can be highly costly and time-consuming.
> >
> > Bottom line? IMHO, you "should not even think about it."
> >
> > --
> > HTH,
> > Kevin Spencer
> > .Net Developer
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Neither a follower
> > nor a lender be.
> >
> > "David F" <David-White@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:#EW3l7l1EHA.2676@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > I am total new to FrontPage (of any version).
> > > I am using Win2K+SP4 and considering using FrontPage 2003.
> > > Would like to build a website, using FrontPage 2003 as front-end and
> > (pure)
> > > C++ (and ONLY C++) as back-end (for accessing data, etc.).
> > > By "pure" C++ I mean ANSI C++, not "MS C++", not  VBA, not C#, not J#,
> not
> > > Visual "C++".NET 2003, not JScript, etc.
> > >
> > > Is that practically possible and even reasonable goal and if so, is
> there
> > > one (or two) normal document(s) defining the interface between them
and
> > > where to find it?
> > > Or is like the .NET framework where MS does everything it can to
> preclude
> > > using C++ and I "should not even think about it" (because I am not
going
> > to
> > > switch to one of those MS proprietary "languages" anytime soon).
> > >
> > > I will appreciate a lot if someone who knows the subject in-depth will
> > > potentially save from me what I went through when tried at the time
> using
> > > Visual "C++" .NET 2003.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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