Re: everytime I open pages from server, it reverts back to old web

From: Thomas A. Rowe (tarowe_at_mvps.org)
Date: 03/20/05 

Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:47:36 -0500

You should always publish or zip the folder holding the web or use a backup application.

The thumbs.db file should never been in a web, and it is only there because you have view the web
folder content outside of FP in Windows Explorer, you should get out of this habit. 

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"calicoast" <calicoast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:AD6DB8DC-8595-4DF9-8117-D606E8976ABA@microsoft.com...
> When backing up a site then what files do I mess with.  I have always copied
> EVERY file, but many times there are ones that already exist when copying
> remote to local in even an empty folder.  Like thumbs.db, desktop.ini etc.  I
> have sometimes overwritten them an sometimes skip.  I don't know which is
> correct, should I just not even mess with them and stick with html files
> only?
>
> "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
>
>> The FP _vti files are NEVER copied or published between location/servers, the FP extensions must
>> create and manage _vti folders during the publishing operation on the destination server. By 
>> copying
>> your local versions, you have corrupted the extensions on the remote server. You need to, at this
>> point delete the content on the live/remote server, then completely remove the extensions, then
>> re-apply the extensions and re-publish from your local copy.
>>
>> Suggest you find another host, as you should never have to pay to have the extensions 
>> re-installed
>> or configured to work correctly.
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>> "calicoast" <calicoast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E09AE91D-E3F6-4B0A-B6FE-6012DA94050D@microsoft.com...
>> >I copied every _vit file form the working site to the non-working that I saw
>> > missing.  It still doesn't work.  What if I uninstall SE through the hosing
>> > account and then re-install, will that reupload and redo all necessary files
>> > do you think or screw up my site totally?
>> >
>> > "calicoast" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ok, the file that MicroSoft says to check out in the link you gave does not
>> >> even exist on my server, so I guess there is for sure a problem with SE.  I
>> >> can look at my working site, and sure enough that file is on there.  I called
>> >> support at godaddy.com where my hosing is, and tried twice and neither person
>> >> on phone had a clue.  There only suggestions are to 1. copy missing files
>> >> from the working site to the non working, or 2. pay 150.00 for tech support
>> >> where they re-do all settings and I would have to upload the site back to
>> >> server.  They want 150.00 dollars to re-set it when hosting is only 8.00 per
>> >> month!  I tried copying the 1 missing file I know of, but it didn't work, and
>> >> looks like other files are missing or something.
>> >>
>> >> "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Then there is a host set up problem w/ the FP SE or permission on the site
>> >> > To test for the FP SE see http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;828909
>> >> >
>> >> > -- 
>> >> >
>> >> > _____________________________________________
>> >> > SBR @ ENJOY (-:              [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
>> >> > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"  (-;
>> >> > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
>> >> >   http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>> >> > _____________________________________________
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "calicoast" <calicoast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:44763F84-8251-4986-9C07-7296EBAD2B23@microsoft.com...
>> >> > | Also, I have an "edit with frontpage" button on my toolbar when using
>> >> > | Internet Exp.  In the simple website that works in FP, I can click the
>> >> > | button, enter username and password and it all displays in FP no problem
>> >> > | ready to be edited.  When I try this on the other site, I get the same
>> >> > | problem, the password won't work.  Password works fine with FTP
>> >> > | though.....strange.
>> >> > |
>> >> > | "calicoast" wrote:
>> >> > |
>> >> > | > Test it by using File, Open Site in FP and then were do I enter the URL.
>> >> > | > This gives an option of folders on my hard drive to open, but don't see
>> >> > | > anywhere I can browse to an internet connection or enter a URL?
>> >> > | >
>> >> > | > I know the SE are installed though.  I just got off of the phone with them
>> >> > | > and they confirmed it, and I selected for them to be installed a few weeks
>> >> > | > ago.  The person I bought the site from had to have them installed before he
>> >> > | > could do a few things on it....so they are for sure installed.
>> >> > | >
>> >> > | > This is strange and the hosting support couldn't figure anything out either.
>> >> > | >  I am trying to view remote site just as you suggeted, and just can't get it
>> >> > | > to take my password.  The same username and password works fine for FTP
>> >> > | > through WS_FTP or just I.E., but not FrontPage?  I type the URL just perfect
>> >> > | > and have tried both with SSL and without SSL and http and https respectively.
>> >> > | >  I also tried the FTP connection option in FrontPage and it will then at
>> >> > | > least show the files for the remote connection, but won't allow me to view
>> >> > | > them in web browser, so something is wrong.  I have another website that is
>> >> > | > very basic and I can access it perfect through FP with the same directions
>> >> > | > you have mentioned with the URL and password.  For some reason only this main
>> >> > | > important website has given me nothing but troubles.  The only thing I can
>> >> > | > think of different between the two is that SSL certificate, but I have tried
>> >> > | > both ways with and without SSL.  I got an error message one time saying the
>> >> > | > certifiate I was trying to access did not match the site, but I viewed it and
>> >> > | > it has the same URL.  I only got this message once or twice, basically I just
>> >> > | > keep putting in the correct username and password and it keeps asking for a
>> >> > | > differnt password.  I don't know what else to do?  Tried the easiest thing,
>> >> > | > closed out of all programs and restarted computer, but that was no help.
>> >> > | >
>> >> > | > "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
>> >> > | >
>> >> > | > > Just because they support the FP SE doesn't mean they have them installed for your web
>> >> > | > > - make sure they do
>> >> > | > > Test it by using File Open Site in FP and entering your URL
>> >> > | > >
>> >> > | > > To publish enter the URL in the location box as http://www.yoursitename.com/ and 
>> >> > select
>> >> > the FP SE option (w/o the SSL)
>> >> > | > > If they have the FP SE enabled on a secure server to use your certificate enter the 
>> >> > URL
>> >> > in the location box as
>> >> > | > > https://www.yoursitename.com/ and select the FP SE
>> >> > | > > -- 
>> >> > | > >
>> >> > | > > _____________________________________________
>> >> > | > > SBR @ ENJOY (-:              [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
>> >> > | > > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"  (-;
>> >> > | > > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
>> >> > | > >   http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>> >> > | > > _____________________________________________
>> >> > | > >
>> >> > | > >
>> >> > | > > "calicoast" <calicoast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:58037B6D-18E2-4369-9C29-DC014804DDA5@microsoft.com...
>> >> > | > > |I followed the instructions on the link as my server does support SE and they
>> >> > | > > | are installed.  For some reason I can't get pass entering my username and
>> >> > | > > | password.  Any ideas what may be causing this?  I know I am using the correct
>> >> > | > > | ones as I can access the site with WS_FTP PRO or IE as a client no problem???
>> >> > | > > | I tried both with SSL and withouth SSL option.
>> >> > | > > |
>> >> > | > > | "Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
>> >> > | > > |
>> >> > | > > | > To Publish w/ FP you need to open a FP site (not just a page)
>> >> > | > > | > Your host server either supports the FP Server Extensions or they don't
>> >> > | > > | > If they do see
>> >> > | > > | > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;825528&Product=fp2003
>> >> > | > > | > (do not use the optimize options if you don't understand their impact)
>> >> > | > > | >
>> >> > | > > | > If they don't see
>> >> > | > > | > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;825503&Product=fp2003
>> >> > | > > | >
>> >> > | > > | > If the site is going to be secure (and your host supports your certificate on the
>> >> > secure server) publish to the FP SE but
>> >> > use
>> >> > | > > | > https://
>> >> > | > > | >
>> >> > | > > | > -- 
>> >> > | > > | >
>> >> > | > > | > _____________________________________________
>> >> > | > > | > SBR @ ENJOY (-:              [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
>> >> > | > > | > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"  (-;
>> >> > | > > | > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
>> >> > | > > | >   http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>> >> > | > > | > _____________________________________________
>> >> > | > > | >
>> >> > | > > | >
>> >> > | > > | > "calicoast" <calicoast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:BA529A96-0A44-4BB0-B191-13FDFB5E094C@microsoft.com...
>> >> > | > > | > | When I open FrontPage, the "pubilsh" selection in file is greyed out, I can't
>> >> > | > > | > | select it.  Is there something I am missing or a step I need to do first?
>> >> > | > > | > |
>> >> > | > > | > | If I open one of the generic templates FP offers, I see the publish button
>> >> > | > > | > | active, and am not sure of the 4 radio dial selection which one would be best
>> >> > | > > | > | to use?  My hosting is godaddy and I do have Server Extensions and I guess
>> >> > | > > | > | FTP capability as well.  Also have a Secure CertificateSSL thing, do I need
>> >> > | > > | > | to check that SSL box and which of the 4 options are best to use and how do I
>> >> > | > > | > | use them?  What do I need to type if using something that requires entering
>> >> > | > > | > | website address.  I know my username and password and obivioulsy my url, but
>> >> > | > > | > | sometimes there are certain things such as ftp or slashes here and there and
>> >> > | > > | > | I don't know for sure what to type?
>> >> > | > > | > |
>> >> > | > > | > | Is it okay do save my website on hardrive under 'my webs', read something
>> >> > | > > | > | about that's not where I should save it?
>> >> > | > > | > |
>> >> > | > > | > | Also, when transferring files using FTP, I always see some desktop.ini file
>> >> > | > > | > | and thumbs file already in blank folders, and never know whether to overwrite
>> >> > | > > | > | them or skip or what?  I have done both, but don't know what they are for or
>> >> > | > > | > | what is best to do?....thanks.
>> >> > | > > | > |
>> >> > | > > | > |
>> >> > | > > | > |
>> >> > | > > | > | "Steve H" wrote:
>> >> > | > > | > |
>> >> > | > > | > | > 1. You remove the read-only atttribute by right-clicking on
>> >> > | > > | > | > the file and unselecting "Read only." You do not select
>> >> > | > > | > | > another attribute.
>> >> > | > > | > | >
>> >> > | > > | > | > 2. You can go to the web site through FP and work on the
>> >> > | > > | > | > pages "live." Then you hit File / Save and it is saved
>> >> > | > > | > | > immediately live. I always work this way. (I don't work on
>> >> > | > > | > | > the hard drive then publish to the server.)
>> >> > | > > | > | >
>> >> > | > > | > | > To publish the live site to your hard drive:
>> >> > | > > | > | > 1. File / Publish Site... / Remote Web Site Properties...
>> >> > | > > | > | > 2. Browse to the File System on your computer. If there is
>> >> > | > > | > | > none, allow FP to create one.
>> >> > | > > | > | > 3. Then it's a matter of selecting the correct from/to
>> >> > | > > | > | > orientation and Publish.
>> >> > | > > | > | >
>> >> > | > > | > | >
>> >> > | > > | > | >
>> >> > | > > | > | > >-----Original Message-----
>> >> > | > > | > | > >First, thank you very much for responding, I really do
>> >> > | > > | > | > appreciate it!
>> >> > | > > | > | > >1) I have never opened the site from CD, only from a
>> >> > | > > | > | > folder on hard drive as
>> >> > | > > | > | > >you mentioned.  I however have never removed any read only
>> >> > | > > | > | > attributes.  Would
>> >> > | > > | > | > >this be causing the problem and how do I do this.  Do you
>> >> > | > > | > | > mean right click on
>> >> > | > > | > | > >the file and change to something else and if so what
>> >> > | > > | > | > should the attribute be?
>> >> > | > > | > | > >2) The online site does have fontpage 'server extensions'
>> >> > | > > | > | > installed guessing
>> >> > | > > | > | > >that is what your FP SE stands for.  So you are saying I
>> >> > | > > | > | > can bypass my WS_FTP
>> >> > | > > | > | > >Pro software and edit the pages directly on the site with
>> >> > | > > | > | > FrontPage?  What
>> >> > | > > | > | > >steps are involved with publishing it to PC as you
>> >> > | > > | > | > mentioned?  I have tried
>> >> > | > > | > | > >to do this from "open site" in FrontPage, but don't see an
>> >> > | > > | > | > option of getting
>> >> > | > > | > | > >on a server or publishing from the web to my PC?
>> >> > | > > | > | > >
>> >> > | > > | > | > >Thanks again for your time!
>> >> > | > > | > | > >
>> >> > | > > | > | > >"Stefan B Rusynko" wrote:
>> >> > | > > | > | > >
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> 1) You can not open a FP site from a CD in FP
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> - copy it to a new folder on your hard disc (remove all
>> >> > | > > | > | > read only attributes) and browse to the new folder in FP
>> >> > | > > | > | > File Open Site
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> 2) Or if the online site has the FP SE open it in FP and
>> >> > | > > | > | > publish it to your PC
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> -- 
>> >> > | > > | > | > >>
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> _____________________________________________
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> SBR @ ENJOY (-:              [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!"  (-;
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
>> >> > | > > | > | > >>   http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> _____________________________________________
>> >> > | > > | > | > >>
>> >> > | > > | > | > >>
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> "calicoast" <calicoast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> >> > | > > | > | > in message
>> >> > | > > | > | > news:1D079233-6A61-43ED-A3BC-F33CE7E59010@microsoft.com...
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | Hi, using FrontPage 2003 because I upgraded from 2000
>> >> > | > > | > | > hoping that was my
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | issue, but it didn't work.  My issues is that I have a
>> >> > | > > | > | > wesite that is up an
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | running just fine that I bought from someone else, so
>> >> > | > > | > | > I didn't build it and
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | am not an expert.  I also use WS_FTP PRO.  I am simply
>> >> > | > > | > | > trying to update my
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | website and change some text.  Everytime I download
>> >> > | > > | > | > the webpages or even open
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | them up from a CDROM the original owner sent me,
>> >> > | > > | > | > FrontPage automatically
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | reverts the webpages to an earlier version of the
>> >> > | > > | > | > website.  I have tried
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | numerous times to delete all files from hard drive and
>> >> > | > > | > | > start over, but
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | everytime it does this.  I view the files in Internet
>> >> > | > > | > | > Explorer and they are
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | up-to-date and look fine, but as soon as I open them
>> >> > | > > | > | > in FrontPage, somehow
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | really old files appear from a long time ago.  The old
>> >> > | > > | > | > website had a disabled
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | shopping cart, different borders, and text and this is
>> >> > | > > | > | > what magically
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | appears.  The current website has a shopping cart,
>> >> > | > > | > | > newer text, and shared
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | borders at the bottom.  Website is fine like it is but
>> >> > | > > | > | > I need to make changes
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | and update, and everytime I open it in FrontPage, the
>> >> > | > > | > | > older version somehow
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | appears.  I have spent hours searching forums on the
>> >> > | > > | > | > internet, and only found
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | one similar problem of a person with shared borders
>> >> > | > > | > | > being a possibe issue,
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | but it didn't give a solution.  I am really stuck, any
>> >> > | > > | > | > help is really
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | appreciated!  I have tried both WS_FTP PRO and just IE
>> >> > | > > | > | > to download my files,
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | and it still does this.  It's also not my cache, I
>> >> > | > > | > | > also have done the
>> >> > | > > | > | > >> | shift/refresh button, and still the old pages pop
>> >> > | > > | > | > up...please help!
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