Re: Moving pictures in front page or drag & drop

From: Murray (forums_at_HAHAgreat-web-sights.com)
Date: 02/08/05


Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:00:09 -0500


> lots of effects but
> at a advanced amateur level

The 'lots of effects' part usually keeps you at the advanced amateur level,
in my opinion. Nothing shouts "experience" more loudly to me than a page
with impact that has NO effects.

> but did not like it that much to many variations
> along with it, add on programs Etc.

I guess this means you didn't really get what DW is. There are no
variations, and the addon programs are strictly optional. The basic DW
comes with a full array of behaviors (even more than FP) as native options.

But - good luck, and post back with your progress.

-- 
Murray
"Archer------------>" <Archer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:87D4FDDA-6ABB-4CA8-9593-B26995F8EB2F@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Murray
>
> Into the light I go,  I have 3 nice large sites built now several pages 
> and
> quite extensive in design, picts, backgrounds, Links, Etc lots of effects 
> but
> at a advanced amateur level  but good enough for what I want.  I did 
> download
> the dreamweaver MX 2004 but did not like it that much to many variations
> along with it, add on programs Etc. Thanks for getting back to me.
>
> Take care and again thanks
>
> "Murray" wrote:
>
>> > I was wondering what you think might be the best program to use in web
>> > building was Dreamweaver Etc.
>>
>> The critical element here is how much HTML do you know.  If the answer is
>> "very little", then it doesn't really matter which you choose, although 
>> you
>> will find the learning curve steep with anything.  If the answer is 
>> "quite a
>> bit" then it really doesn't matter which you choose, although you will 
>> find
>> the user interface to be a bit less intrusive in Dreamweaver than in
>> FrontPage - but that's my personal opinion.
>>
>> > It also allows
>> > moving any item anywhere on the page.
>>
>> That's because it's writing all that stuff 'behind the kimono' (so to
>> speak).  As long as you stay within their intolerably restrictive design
>> environment you will only be able to produce rather crude "hobby sites". 
>> If
>> you have aspirations of doing better than that, you need to step into the
>> light....
>>
>> -- 
>> Murray
>>
>> "Archer------------>" <Archer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D1AF75B8-556E-4030-8B37-DEC0811BD31A@microsoft.com...
>> > Thank you Murray for the reply
>> > I was wondering what you think might be the best program to use in web
>> > building was Dreamweaver Etc.
>> > I was using a web program yahoo site builder (free)  that I downloaded
>> > from
>> > Yahoo, it allows just about anything to be done very easy. It also 
>> > allows
>> > moving any item anywhere on the page.
>> > Thanks again
>> >
>> > "Murray" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Front page is what would be generically called an "HTML Authoring
>> >> System".
>> >> This means that after you interact with FP's design view, that
>> >> interaction
>> >> is translated into a series of HTML tags which are then 'rendered' by 
>> >> the
>> >> browser to recreate what you did.  The 'lexicon' of HTML tags is 
>> >> limited,
>> >> meaning that there is a limit to the kinds of things you can do in 
>> >> HTML.
>> >> If
>> >> you are interested, you can read all about HTML at http://www.w3.org, 
>> >> but
>> >> be
>> >> warned - it's pithy and dense.
>> >>
>> >> Since there are limits on what you can do in HTML, that limit is 
>> >> imposed
>> >> on
>> >> your operations within FP.
>> >>
>> >> In HTML, there is only one way to freely position a page element (that
>> >> could
>> >> be an image, a table, or a line of text) - and that is to use a CSS
>> >> method
>> >> called (sensibly enough) "POSITIONING".  In order to drag your image 
>> >> to
>> >> any
>> >> location on the design view, FP would have to create and write the
>> >> required
>> >> positioning code to the page.  Generally speaking, such positioning is
>> >> what
>> >> could be called an advanced use, and it can be pretty tricky to use
>> >> properly. Even though it seems so simple to just drag and drop 
>> >> something,
>> >> it
>> >> definitely is not simple 'behind the scenes' and is the source of may
>> >> problem posts her and elsewhere.
>> >>
>> >> In HTML, the rule is this - non-positioned page elements are placed at
>> >> the
>> >> left margin of the page, in a location determined by the preceding 
>> >> HTML
>> >> markup.  If you put a table on a page, it goes flush with the left 
>> >> margin
>> >> of
>> >> the page.  You can change its vertical location on the page by adding
>> >> markup
>> >> above it (like inserting another table).  This is why when you add an
>> >> image
>> >> to the page, it sticks to the left margin.
>> >>
>> >> So - I apologize for the windy post, but I wanted to get to the punch
>> >> line,
>> >> which is this: If you want to learn how to use FP well, you will also
>> >> need
>> >> to learn some HTML.  Along the way, some CSS wouldn't hurt either!
>> >>
>> >> -- 
>> >> Murray
>> >>
>> >> "Archer------------>" <Archer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in 
>> >> message
>> >> news:0D1C738A-5715-4202-B70A-819C08A8EDFB@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi I am somewhat new to FrontPage and I get everything I want done 
>> >> > in
>> >> > FrontPage except the simplest little thing, I will paste a picture 
>> >> > or
>> >> > insert
>> >> > one and try to click on it or drag it to another spot and it will 
>> >> > not
>> >> > move, I
>> >> > have used other web builders and they allow this but not on my
>> >> > FrontPage.
>> >> > (Until I find the control for this feature).  It keeps going back 
>> >> > like
>> >> > as
>> >> > in
>> >> > snap to a grid but worse I can move it up or down a little but it 
>> >> > will
>> >> > always
>> >> > jump back to wherever the page is set, left, centered ETC.
>> >> >
>> >> > Can anyone tell me how to turn this off so I can drag items around 
>> >> > on
>> >> > the
>> >> > page we, 2 of us looked and so far and can not find it?
>> >> >
>> >> > Help please
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>> 


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