Re: Multilingual Sites
From: Jim Buyens (news_at_interlacken.com)
Date: 01/04/05
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:01:04 -0800
Responses interspersed. However, this is the last time I'm going to respond
here, because this newsgroup isn't the proper forum for this. Contact me
privately via http://www.interlacken.com/common/contact.aspx if you wish.
"clintonG" wrote:
> The very first reply from T. & D. Gregor Sr. suggested using 'software
> translation sites' so your comments to me in that regard are based on your
> own failure to read and understand the replies to this topic.
Guilty. I guess I filtered that out so quickly that I never even noticed it.
> As for your 'guess' regarding ASP.NET in what you refer to as the 'short
> term' I am compelled by the facts and my current knowledge of the .NET
> Framework to tell you that your guesswork is short-sighted. Furthermore,
> your assumption to know what is best for anybody in the short term or any
> term for that matter is presumptuous.
And yet you feel no compunction stating what *you* believe is best for
anybody.
> Anybody interested in determing the facts for themselves can do so once
> somebody helps them learn the keywords that are being used to define and
> describe a given topic. Once having learned more of the actual facts
> involved and the basis of how the facts came about the decision to adopt or
> not adopt a given tactical methodology is not yours to make.
I aggree that the final choice of approach lies with each person, which
means not with me, and not with you.
At the same time, it makes perfect sense to consider the apparent skill
level of the questioner before providing an answer. An answer that's too far
above or below the questioner's skill level is generally useless, and may be
insulting.
This, of course, is tricky, because the questioner's skill level is far from
obvious. All we have to go by is a few lines of text. In this case, I
presumed that because the questioner was somewhat uncertain how to use
Dynamic Web Templates in FrontPage, they probably weren't an experienced
ASP.NETdeveloper. That's not a sure thing, but it's the assumption I made.
Most people posting these sorts of newsgroup questions are looking for quick
fixes, and not for extensive self-education. That's why I, for one, try to
give the simplest, most direct answers I can.
> As for your final remarks regarding the use of this newsgroup -- pompous as
> they were -- if it was my intention to talk over anybody's head I would not
> have provided the search terms or bothered discussing the facts and complex
> issues involved in this topic.
A matter of opinion, for sure.
> If you choose to insult the intelligence of people that come here seeking
> discussion by assuming a person does not have the intellectual capacity or
> the interest in discussing what can be complex issues that is your decision
> but again, it is not for you to decide either way unless it applies to you
> directly. As for me in this regard, it is me and it will remain me that
> decides who to offer the benefit of my insight, when, and how. Not you. As
> for others, it is their determination to take advantage of what I have to
> offer or choose to ignore it. Not you.
Well, you can obviously post whatever you want; that's one of the beauties
of usenet. And for what it's worth, if I had to develop a multi-lingual Web
site, I, like you, would almost certainly do it in ASP.NET. In fact, I have
done so in the past.
But not everyone has the time or the aptitude to learn ASP.NET programming;
some people's talents lay more in marketing, or product selection, or graphic
design, or running tours, or a million other areas. Even so, some of them
want to develop simple Web sites, and just like posting to usenet, they
should have the freedom to do so. The Web is for everyone, not just the
technically astute.
I mean, it's fine to evangelize ASP.NET but if you scream too loud, you
dissuade more people than you convert.
Jim Buyens
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
http://www.interlacken.com
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> <%= Clinton Gallagher
> METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
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> "Jim Buyens" <news@interlacken.com> wrote in message
> news:00D2C836-5F36-4F41-BD0B-DD2283A51C32@microsoft.com...
> > I don't think there was any mention of computer-translation in this
> thread.
> >
> > If Andrew Smith here is struggling with DWTs, I would guess that ASP.NET
> > won't be practical for him in the short term. I suspect he would create
> two
> > sites by hand and then want to redirect visitors to the correct site. Just
> a
> > guess.
> >
> > The purpose of this newsgroup is to help people at all levels of
> knowledge.
> > Talking over someone's heads is out of line. Sincere advice and
> considerate
> > opinions are fine.
> >
> > Jim Buyens
> > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> > http://www.interlacken.com
> > Author of:
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> > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out
> > ||---------------------------------------------------
> > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition
> > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out
> > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming
> > || (All from Microsoft Press)
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> > *----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "clintonG" wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Andrew,
> > >
> > > If you're really serious about "globalization"+"localization" you should
> use
> > > those search terms to learn more.
> > >
> > > First, the software translators are a joke and that is well known to
> those
> > > whom know better. For the time being, due to the lack of processing
> power
> > > and the fact that while computational linguistics have become quite
> advanced
> > > and continue to be refifned over time our notion of computational
> > > linguistics continues to significantly fail to reliably translate any of
> the
> > > constructs that are used to actually communicate ideas to people, i.e.
> > > software translation does a real piss-poor job with simile, metaphor,
> > > analogy, allegory and other 'figures of speech.' Human translation is
> well
> > > worth every cent if you are involved in e-commerce. The return on
> investment
> > > will pay dividends in the most important concern; good will and respect
> > > shown to your customers.
> > >
> > > Secondly, if you are going to consider any software language or platform
> for
> > > development you should know that ASP.NET supports globalization and
> > > localizatiion to a greater extent than any other initiative at the
> present
> > > time. Using ASP.NET can enable web development which supports user
> interface
> > > requirements for hundreds of supported languages, even those that
> require
> > > constructs such as right-left, top-down, symbols, date and time
> structures
> > > or any other language characteristics.
> > >
> > > It would be a waste of time and money and culturally insulting to use
> ASP to
> > > simply redirect to a page of foolish gibberish generated by software
> that
> > > still required a person to read bass ackwards. Hello?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > <%= Clinton Gallagher
> > > METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
> > > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
> > > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andrew Smith" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:eE%231eKb8EHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > thanks for your advice. I will it do it that way. Still wondering why
> > > > FrontPage even in the latest version is not able to support that in an
> > > > effective manner. Thanks for your advice with the dwt.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Smith
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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