Re: big problems with browser compatibility!
From: Murray (forums_at_HAHAgreat-web-sights.com)
Date: 11/18/04
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:40:36 -0500
That's a good number too. Nice karma around 740. 8)
-- Murray "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote in message news:%23vY0QVQzEHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Murray: > > Thanks for clarifying. > > I build at 740-750, myself. > > > -- > === > Tom "Pepper" Willett > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage > --- > About FrontPage 2003: > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802 > FrontPage 2003 Product Information: > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx > Understanding FrontPage: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/ > === > "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message > news:uVWFTEQzEHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > | I don't challenge your post at all, Tom. In fact I think it should be > hung > | on the monitor of every user. > | > | The point I was making with Ron's post is that screen resolution only > tells > | you what the maximum width/height of a browser viewport could be - it > does > | not tell you what the dimensions are of the specified individual. You > | cannot determine that until it's too late to do something about it, > doncha > | know. > | > | My philosophy is this - > | > | Unless I have a compelling reason NOT to do so (and I haven't yet), my > sites > | are built at 760px width. That's my number and I go with it. I don't > worry > | about the ramifications, because I think it's a reasonable number. It > | happens to be the available horizontal space when you have a maximized > | browser viewport on an 800x600 screen, and I understand that by choosing > | that number I may be asking some visitors with 800x600 screens to scroll > | horizontally. Oh, well. That's life. It's also reflective of the > people > | for whom I build sites. Your mileage may vary.... 8) > | > | -- > | Murray > | > | "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote in message > | news:u3YawxPzEHA.3976@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > | >I see. Therefore, the "etched in stone" reply you made is also > | >meaningless, > | > since Ron gave a statistic of 50%. So, why is it "etched in stone"? > | > > | > I would like to see both of you cite, since you challenge. > | > > | > Where do you get your statistics, Murray? ;-) > | > -- > | > === > | > Tom "Pepper" Willett > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage > | > --- > | > About FrontPage 2003: > | > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802 > | > FrontPage 2003 Product Information: > | > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx > | > Understanding FrontPage: > | > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/ > | > === > | > "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message > | > news:%235FdpnPzEHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > | > | Of course it's a meaningless statistic.... > | > | > | > | -- > | > | Murray > | > | > | > | "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote in message > | > | news:uTRP9WPzEHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > | > | > According to the latest stats at www.echoecho.com > | > | > > | > | > 48% use 1024 x 768 > | > | > 39% use 800 x 600 > | > | > > | > | > That's a drastic change from the past. I would suggest it's > because > | > out > | > | > of > | > | > the box computers are now set at the higher screen resolutions. > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > === > | > | > Tom "Pepper" Willett > | > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage > | > | > --- > | > | > About FrontPage 2003: > | > | > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802 > | > | > FrontPage 2003 Product Information: > | > | > http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx > | > | > Understanding FrontPage: > | > | > http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/ > | > | > === > | > | > "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message > | > | > news:%23Y%23ab5OzEHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > | > | > | Regard this post as etched in stone. It's good advice through > and > | > | > | through.... > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | > | Murray > | > | > | > | > | > | "Ronx" <ronx917@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | > | news:OcQ4ulNzEHA.1396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > The following are personal opinions, others may not agree and > they > | > | > won't > | > | > | > be wrong. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Also bear in mind that my web sites are personal, not > business, > | > and > | > | > are > | > | > | > built to look good in the latest browsers, and be functional > in > | > older > | > | > | > models. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Design for 800x600 browser - nearly half the PC users use a > screen > | > | > | > resolution of 800x600, and many others use their browsers in > | > windows, > | > | > | > smaller than full screen. In FP2003 set up the design window > at > | > | > 760x425. > | > | > | > Fit the width of the page into that and it will suit 99% of > users > | > and > | > | > | > browsers. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Set the Authoring settings (Tools->Page Options - Authoring > tab): > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Browsers: set to Custom > | > | > | > Schema Version: Internet Explorer 5.0 > | > | > | > Tick all the boxes except: VML graphics, ActiveX controls, PNG > | > | > graphics, > | > | > | > Java applets. Java may not be available on Windows XP or in > IE6, > | > PNG > | > | > | > images will not be visible in some browsers, and ActiveX is IE > | > only > | > | > and > | > | > | > often blocked. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Generator and ProgID tags is your choice, makes no difference > to > | > the > | > | > page. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Using Layers: Used properly, layers are fine and are > compatible > | > with > | > | > all > | > | > | > browsers (except Opera 4, but who uses Opera 4?). If you use > | > layers, > | > | > do > | > | > | > not set the height. Do not place a layer inside a table cell, > and > | > | > watch > | > | > | > for trouble if you nest them (avoid nesting). Also beware of > | > users > | > | > who > | > | > | > change font sizes - this is a cause of problems with layers if > you > | > are > | > | > not > | > | > | > prepared for it. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Using tables for layout is nearly always safe. The layout on > your > | > | > page > | > | > | > can be built using tables. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > -- > | > | > | > Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage) > | > | > | > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > "Surfin Local" <SurfinLocal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote > in > | > | > message > | > | > | > news:003D134A-069F-4BFA-A14F-090DBA2547AD@microsoft.com... > | > | > | >>I can't say that the news is good but your help is most > | > appreciated. > | > I > | > | > | >> understand what you are telling me but quite honestly, I'm > almost > | > | > afraid > | > | > | >> to > | > | > | >> try again! How do you think I should set my authoring > | > properties/page > | > | > | >> size? > | > | > | >> Should I stay away from layers? > | > | > | >> > | > | > | >> "Ronx" wrote: > | > | > | >> > | > | > | >>> I would start again, using tables to position elements, and > lose > | > the > | > | > | >>> Word > | > | > | >>> Art and Text Boxes. > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> For a web page, you need a completely different mind set to > | > | > designing > | > | > a > | > | > | >>> printed page. A web page has no dimensions - it's as wide > as > | > the > | > | > | >>> browser > | > | > | >>> (and sometimes wider), and as long as needed to get to the > end. > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> Also, see my other post. > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> -- > | > | > | >>> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage) > | > | > | >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread. > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> "Surfin Local" <SurfinLocal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote > in > | > | > message > | > | > | >>> news:6559B278-60FA-4201-8EFF-81F327A799BD@microsoft.com... > | > | > | >>> >I did use absolute positioning and most of the content is > | > placed > | > in > | > | > | >>> >layers. > | > | > | >>> > With lots of experience in page layout software and none > in > | > web > | > | > | >>> > development, > | > | > | >>> > I apparantly created the site with the wrong frame of > mind. > I > | > | > reviewed > | > | > | >>> > some > | > | > | >>> > of the on-line training that I took initially and still > fail > | > to > | > | > see > | > | > | >>> > where > | > | > | >>> > this obviously important step is clearly noted. So while I > am > | > busy > | > | > | >>> > kicking > | > | > | >>> > myself, could you tell me what you would do at this point? > | > | > | >>> > "Ronx" wrote: > | > | > | >>> > > | > | > | >>> >> Changing settings in FrontPage now is like shutting the > | > | > proverbial > | > | > | >>> >> stable > | > | > | >>> >> door.... The settings in FP prevent components being > used, > | > they > | > | > do > | > | > | >>> >> not > | > | > | >>> >> change anything that has already been done. > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> >> From your very brief description of the problems I > _guess_ > | > that > | > | > you > | > | > | >>> >> have > | > | > | >>> >> used absolute positioning. Used carefully AP will not > cause > | > a > | > | > | >>> >> problem in > | > | > | >>> >> modern browsers (including NN4). Used carelessly, the > | > | > overlapping > | > | > | >>> >> text > | > | > | >>> >> and > | > | > | >>> >> graphics layers will be prevalent if the browser window > is > | > not > | > at > | > | > the > | > | > | >>> >> design > | > | > | >>> >> size. > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> >> A URL will enable a better answer. > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> >> -- > | > | > | >>> >> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage) > | > | > | >>> >> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread. > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> >> "Surfin Local" <Surfin Local@discussions.microsoft.com> > wrote > | > in > | > | > | >>> >> message > | > | > | >>> >> > news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-6D935672C08F@microsoft.com... > | > | > | >>> >> >I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding > that > I > | > | > needed > | > | > | >>> >> >to > | > | > | >>> >> >choose > | > | > | >>> >> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing > in > | > | > | >>> >> > different > | > | > | >>> >> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several > people > | > to > | > | > | >>> >> > visit > | > | > | >>> >> > and > | > | > | >>> >> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE > | > version > | > | > 6 > | > | > | >>> >> > is on > | > | > | >>> >> > the > | > | > | >>> >> > local drive) and noted several problems with the > layering > | > of > | > | > text > | > | > | >>> >> > and > | > | > | >>> >> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 > where > it > | > was > | > | > | >>> >> > completely > | > | > | >>> >> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I > have > a > | > | > major > | > | > | >>> >> > problem? > | > | > | >>> >> > If > | > | > | >>> >> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote > site > | > or > | > do > | > | > I > | > | > | >>> >> > need > | > | > | >>> >> > to > | > | > | >>> >> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks. > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> >> > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | >>> > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > | > >
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